Great trade IMO. Everyone keep forgetting whos our coach now. Rudy T will find a way to get things rolling
I would prefer getting that European guy Jiri Welsch than Marcus Banks in the deal. To me this guy is a budding star and could be the next Steve Nash.. but I am curious why the Celtics still feel like they still need someone else to man the 1 spot, as shown when they drafted kid Delonte West and now trading for Gary Payton. Obviously, Payton will not come off the bench cuz he's got huge pride... unless his game has really been washed up that is. But, I don't think that is the case, Payton will start next season and Welsch is going to come off the bench... last season was a breakout for this guy and they're going to hold back his development now? Such a waste of talent, I would say Welsch'd be a good fit for our Laker team, too bad Mitch Kupchak didn't see this.
They probably wouldn't have accepted that deal. For those who still think this was a horrible trade, at least remember that Payton and Fox were virtually guaranteed to be gone by next season. Why keep them on the team unless you're SURE that it's gonna get you a championship?
This trade also gives Sasha much more playin time. You can bet we will see him on the floor alot more which is a good thing. Playin along side Kobe, will only make his game better
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting trenchteam:</div><div class="quote_post">This trade also gives Sasha much more playin time. You can bet we will see him on the floor alot more which is a good thing. Playin along side Kobe, will only make his game better</div> ??... no.... this gives Sasha less playing time. Eventhough Gary didn't think he was played enough last year he is aging so he probably would have seen the same amount of minutes this year, maybe a little less. he would have probably played 30-35 minutes a game, and Sasha would have been able to play the rest because he was our only other PG. However; now that we have Banks and Atkins at PG to share time I would be surprised if Sasha is even on the active players list. Now that we have two experienced PGs who will play a lot of time, I don't think we'll be seeing much of Sasha next season.
Now that I think about it, this trade doesn't seem so bad. To me, a trade for Jason Kidd seems imminent, and I can see a package of Banks, Atkins, and George possibly. Wait 60 days or even more (for the management to assess Kidd's health) and then we can discuss this trade because it's probably just a means to an end, and J. Kidd is that end. I would not be unhappy at all if we end up getting Kidd and Mihm for Payton, Fox, and George, in fact we get rid of 2 overpaid SFs and a detrimental-to-the-team PG in Payton for a great, possibly the best, PG and a good center.
lol I keep hearing people say the Lakers might package one or both of the PGs they aquired along with George to New Jersey for Kidd, but do you guys honestly think that's enough to get him? Yes Kidd has a big cotract and is having problems with his knees, but he is still worth more than that... a lot more than that. I think there will be atleast one more trade before the season starts, but I doubt it will be for any big name players. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobeonfire:</div><div class="quote_post">Now that I think about it, this trade doesn't seem so bad. To me, a trade for Jason Kidd seems imminent, and I can see a package of Banks, Atkins, and George possibly. Wait 60 days or even more (for the management to assess Kidd's health) and then we can discuss this trade because it's probably just a means to an end, and J. Kidd is that end. I would not be unhappy at all if we end up getting Kidd and Mihm for Payton, Fox, and George, in fact we get rid of 2 overpaid SFs and a detrimental-to-the-team PG in Payton for a great, possibly the best, PG and a good center.</div> I was just about to post that. Two point guards and possibly George for Kidd. I could see it workin out. The nets are just tryin to unload. Kidd wants to play in LA. It could happen
Very bad... why did they trade GARY PAYTON... he sucked last year sure, but i believe its due to the triangle offense look at his stats before he came to LA Lakers... 20PPG 8APG roughly.. you know Lakers are killing me on those trades, they need to get better players in return for GP.
George, Atkins and Banks for J.Kidd?? LMAO. Does that even match salary-wise let alone SANE-wise? LOL You gotta give up more than that to get Kidd. Unfortunately, the Lakers don't have much to give.
If kidds not happy, I think the nets will unload him. He doesn't want to play in NJ no more. It could happen. I've seen some crazy trades this off-season, so dont knock it.
If the Lakers can get Kidd it would be a good addition and the best move they've made in the offseason thus far. But it contradicts the plan of rebuilding the team around younger players. Which contradicts as to why they want to sign Malone for 3 years .
Well Kidd's 31 and as long as his knees don't get too bad, then I think he has a few good years left in him. Meanwhile, I'm banking that Sasha will turn out to be a good PG.
Well, I'd love to see Kidd in LA. Trading off Banks and Atkins would be nice, so Sasha can start his career right behind one of the best PG's in the league. Soon, he'll be playing along one of the best SG's in the league, also...so hopefully, this kid takes advantage of it. If this trade does go down, he'll soon have a ring...and championship experience. Haha...opportunity sure is knocking for the 27th pick in the draft
Positives from the LA-BOS trade: -Lakers get younger, quicker, deeper -Lakers get a better shooter in Atkins, a defensive-minded guard in Banks, and a shotblocking, mobile bigman in Mihm. -Payton had some disagreements with the Laker organization/coaches, so we shipped him out before things could get out of hand. -Got rid of the logjam at the small forward spot. Fox's contract is gone too. Negatives from the trade: -Lost a playmaker in Payton (15 ppg scoring average) -Had to give up a loyal Laker, Rick Fox (although it is probably time for him to retire) -Have to give up a 1st round pick (although it is lottery-protected and we get a 2nd rounder in return) Overall I would call it a decent trade. I am sad to see GP go, because I wanted to see him win a title with us, but things didn't work out. I still have good memories of Foxy, but he needed to go. I am skeptical of what Atkins and Banks can do, but hopefully they and Mihm can produce!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Lakerland:</div><div class="quote_post">They probably wouldn't have accepted that deal. For those who still think this was a horrible trade, at least remember that Payton and Fox were virtually guaranteed to be gone by next season. Why keep them on the team unless you're SURE that it's gonna get you a championship?</div> This is exactly why I wanted the Lakers to keep both of these players. Both have expiring contracts, and free up cap space for the Lakers to acquire a solid free agent next summer. The Lakers would have a combined $10M off the books, money they could use to sign a young power forward. Here's a few names I wouldn't mind seeing joining the Lakers via free agency... Zydrunas Ilgauskas Theo Ratliff Pau Gasol Kwame Brown Brendon Haywood Dasagna Diop Eddie Curry Tyson Chandler With Payton still a Laker, they had a better shot at making a run at the playoffs. He's still one of the better point guards in the league, and he would be more effective in an untempo style. With him out of the picture, the Lakers are now stuck with Chucky Atkins, who is on the books for 2 seasons, and they have created a future battle between Sasha & Banks for becoming the eventual starting PG. This move will also make it harder to bring back our free agents next season including Walton and Rush, because the Lakers will have less cap room and too many players on the roster. As for Chris Mihm, I like him coming aboard because he's a bonafide 7 footer, but he was a free agent already being pursued by the Lakers. Why not just sign him and hold on to Fox & Payton? I doubt Boston would or could match the offer anyways. They already have a lot of money invested in LaFrentz & now Blount, plus they are focused on developing Al Jefferson and Kendrick Perkins. While the Lakers are cleaning house with only two former championship Lakers (Kobe & George), they should start fresh and fire Kupchak as well.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post"> Zydrunas Ilgauskas Theo Ratliff Pau Gasol Kwame Brown Brendon Haywood Dasagna Diop Eddie Curry Tyson Chandler </div> I would love Kwame also..seeing as he is my fav. player but I do think the Wizards will extend his contract because he has shown promise this offseason and should put up some nice numbers next year. Brendan Haywood is lazy. You never hear about him working on his game in teh offseason or anything, but he is serviceable because he is 7'1 and can rebound. Eddie Curry worries me because he is lazy and has weight issues..that is a quick way out of this league.. Chandler would be a real nice addition if his back can stay healthy..he is a great rebounder and with time will polish his offensive game. Big Z worries me because of his foot problems but I would love to have him if he can stay healthy. Diop doesnt impress me at all..if we sign him it will be a decent signing..he hasnt gotten much playing time but I dont see anything special in him. Theo would be a nie addition because he is a shot blocking threat..something the lakers dont have and he gets up to play D. Pau would be nice also but I dont think the Grizzlies will let him go
Some of you guys are acting like the Nets want to win next season. They couldn't care less at this point, they just want to make some Clipper-like moves.
You laker fans drastically overate your players...marcus banks, chucky atkins, and devean george for jason kidd. Other crazy trades i heard laker fans say: karl malone and rick fox for kenyon martin, sasha,slava and george for peja.A couple years ago i heard rick fox and robert horry straight up for t-mac. You need to realize that shaq was the only player on the team that anybody really wanted(kobe doesn't count he's a free agent)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting navyballer18:</div><div class="quote_post">You laker fans drastically overate your players...marcus banks, chucky atkins, and devean george for jason kidd. Other crazy trades i heard laker fans say: karl malone and rick fox for kenyon martin, sasha,slava and george for peja.A couple years ago i heard rick fox and robert horry straight up for t-mac. You need to realize that shaq was the only player on the team that anybody really wanted(kobe doesn't count he's a free agent)</div> And where the hell did you here this trade: Horry and Fox for TMac? That is pathetic and what ever laker fan said that should be clipped...but for real..why wouldnt the Nets do a trade similar to that..they have screwed themselves up the ying yang already so far...let Kittles go for some draft picks, the Martin go for 3 picks..Kidd doesnt want to be in NJ and he could go as far as to sit out next season, they wont get equal value back for him because his health is an issue..
