Hey clipper fans, how would you like it if Vince joined the club? I read an article someone poster a while ago where an ESPN guy thought that vince would be great on the Clippers. Any thought?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kid Canada:</div><div class="quote_post">VC and Alvin for Maggette and Kittles and Wilcox?</div> No...no..no.. Hell no.Maggette has been great here in L.A. with his toughness he brings to the Clippers. Wilcox has also shown a lot of promise and he has been a great sixth man. Trading those two plus a veteran leader in Kittles for a very often injured Williams and Carter? To add to that Williams is very overpaid. Carter is a good player, but he isn't worth this much. I'd rather stick with what we have.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kid Canada:</div><div class="quote_post">VC and Alvin for Maggette and Kittles and Wilcox?</div> Ha, you're nuts. VC isn't worth that much in my opinion. I will admit, he's a great player, but, I've said it over and over again, and I believe he's the most overrated player in the game today. If they trade off Maggette and Wilcox, they lose two great young players, plus they'd be losing Kittles, a person who will be veteran leadership. If that ever went down, and I don't believe that move is in Mr. Sterling's mind right now, but if it did, the Clippers would regret it from day one.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">Ha, you're nuts. VC isn't worth that much in my opinion. I will admit, he's a great player, but, I've said it over and over again, and I believe he's the most overrated player in the game today.</div> "Great" will probably be a category Vince will never fit in. Anyhow...trading Maggette and Kittles for Vince would be bad...let alone Wilcox in the mix. That's giving up a little too much, and who's to say that in two years, he won't turn around and want to leave LA? It's too risky, giving up that much.
As much as I would like to bring my boy Maggette to Canada I dont think its possible, Vince was great for like a season now he's good, he's not the player he once was he's scared to take it to the hole now and Maggette isnt, Maggette is still to have his better days coming. Vince would be a good player if he was on the clippers but right now he seems like nothing extraordinary.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">"Great" will probably be a category Vince will never fit in. Anyhow...trading Maggette and Kittles for Vince would be bad...let alone Wilcox in the mix. That's giving up a little too much, and who's to say that in two years, he won't turn around and want to leave LA? It's too risky, giving up that much.</div> Why you gotta hate on the guy? A Brand - VC combo would be very nice, but if Carter was going to the Clips, Maggette is not staying, that's a given. To the other trade, what's that the trade of the injured people? Maggette misses a lot of games, but him and Carter both missed the same this year. Alvin is injury prone, Wilcox always get's injured, Kittles isn't durable, man, just some mad injuury trade. Maggette + Wilcox + Jaric + Kittles for Carter + Morris Peterson + Jerome Moiso + Milt Palacio <u>Clippers</u> PG - Livingston SG - Carter SF - Peterson PF - Brand C - Kaman Carter wasn't too injury prove last year, so he could miss like 3-5 games, but as long as Brand stays healthy the team could even fight for a playoff spot :mrgreen: <u>Raptors</u> PG - Alston SG - Rose SF - Maggette PF - Bosh C - Wilcox As long as Maggette who might only miss like 3-5 games, and more Wilcox though, stay healthy the Raptors can be fine.
IMO, og15's deal would be pretty pointless. Why would the Clippers trade Maggette to get VC? Last season, Maggette averaged 20 and 6, while Carter averaged 22 and 5. Pretty identical stats IMO, and plus Maggette is younger and will most likely get more points with Richardson gone. Besides, your proposal also has the Clippers dealing Kerry Kittles, Wilcox and Jaric for essentially Mo Pete plus fillers. Is Mo really worth trading a big man, young guard and a veteran for? I don't know man, but Carters trade value seems really overblown.
I actually was trying to get it to be the three without Kittles, but the contracts don't work, but Carter averaged 22-5-5, Maggette 20-6-3. Wilcox should be traded for Joe Johnson :thumbsup: <font size="1">L.A. Clippers trades: PF Chris Wilcox (8.6 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 0.8 apg in 20.6 minutes) SG Kerry Kittles (13.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.5 apg in 34.7 minutes) SF Corey Maggette (20.7 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 36.0 minutes) L.A. Clippers receives: PF Donyell Marshall (14.7 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 36.5 minutes) PF Jerome Moiso (2.9 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.9 minutes) SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes) Change in team outlook: -2.3 ppg, +3.2 rpg, and +0.1 apg. Toronto trades: PF Donyell Marshall (14.7 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 36.5 minutes) PF Jerome Moiso (2.9 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.9 minutes) SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes) Toronto receives: PF Chris Wilcox (8.6 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 0.8 apg in 65 games) SG Kerry Kittles (13.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.5 apg in 82 games) SF Corey Maggette (20.7 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 73 games) Change in team outlook: +2.3 ppg, -3.2 rpg, and -0.1 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">IMO, og15's deal would be pretty pointless. Why would the Clippers trade Maggette to get VC? Last season, Maggette averaged 20 and 6, while Carter averaged 22 and 5. Pretty identical stats IMO, and plus Maggette is younger and will most likely get more points with Richardson gone. Besides, your proposal also has the Clippers dealing Kerry Kittles, Wilcox and Jaric for essentially Mo Pete plus fillers. Is Mo really worth trading a big man, young guard and a veteran for? I don't know man, but Carters trade value seems really overblown.</div> stats are almost identical...so what do you look at when stats are similar? intangibles. vince destroys maggette in intangibles. vince is an all-star, and a ticket seller. thats pretty important to a franchise
Maggette isn't as good as Vince [right now at least], but he isn't too far back, I mean he's like the 9th best SF, so he's good. Wilcox's PT will be skyrocket as a Raptor because he can start at center, and Kittles just makes a lot and makes the contracts work, the Raptors should add a draft pick too [lottery protected or something].
if i were the clippers gm i wouldnt trade magette for carter straight up. Trust me theres good reason to why i wouldnt.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheNextJordan8:</div><div class="quote_post">if i were the clippers gm i wouldnt trade magette for carter straight up. Trust me theres good reason to why i wouldnt.</div> Im pretty sure I know why lol....Carter missed 9 games last year. Not really that many IMO. I think this year hes gonna do good again and start looking like he did back in the old dayz. I cant wait . I would easily take VC over Maggz any day no matter what.
Maggette missed 9 games last year too He hasn't had any big injuries like VC, but he's always injured, I think it's the Clippers training staff, maybe they just suck. The Clippers should trade their training staff and a future first round selection to Seattle for their training staff.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">stats are almost identical...so what do you look at when stats are similar? intangibles. vince destroys maggette in intangibles. vince is an all-star, and a ticket seller. thats pretty important to a franchise</div> Vince is also too reliant on the outside, and a team cancer. He has already stated he wanted to go to a contender; is LA one? EDIT: Would Carter also outsell Kobe? The duo of Kobe/Odom is more attractive than a Brand/Carter duo IMO.
If it was Maggette - Carter straight up, I would probably do the deal. I think that would work under the cap too because the clippers are so far under the cap. It would be good for the Clipper franchise and generate a lot of interest. However, I doubt VC would want to be in Kobe's shadow (since this is his town already anyway) Throwing Wilcox and Kittles into the deal is a bit much though. Maybe yaric, but not wilcox and/or kittles
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Vince is also too reliant on the outside, and a team cancer. He has already stated he wanted to go to a contender; is LA one? EDIT: Would Carter also outsell Kobe? The duo of Kobe/Odom is more attractive than a Brand/Carter duo IMO.</div> Since when did Vince become a team cancer? He can be a cancer for the Raptors because he wants to leave, but he's not team cancer Maggette for Vince straight up is a great deal for LA, but it doesn't work under the cap. Maggette and Jaric or something for Vince would be nice. Vince is in a mainstream city, and they have a chance of winning if him and Brand play more than 60 games each which they should. [at least 70]
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post"> Since when did Vince become a team cancer? He can be a cancer for the Raptors because he wants to leave, but he's not team cancer </div>Would he want to be in LA and lose 45 games each season? I'm pretty sure that if he gets traded there, he'd start sulking and demanding trades too.
Maggette is already a better player than Carter, and Mag's potential still hasn't been fulfilled... VC never dunks strong in the lane anymore, while CMag is never scared to take it in... VC always settles for the J which isn't good. The only thing Vince has over CMag is ticket selling, a better J and more hype.