Top 25 QB's of all time???

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  1. Bleedblk&gld

    Bleedblk&gld The Drive

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    We'll do a little poll and see what we can come up with. I'll just name a few no brainers and we'll get people add more and put them in order and we'll see who belongs in the top 25.




    Montana
    Bradshaw
    Unitas
    Starr
    A. Mannig
    Marino
    Young
    Elway
    Brady
    Staubach
    Griese
    Theisman
    P. Manning
    Aikman
    Simms
    Namath
     
  2. Bearsfan1

    Bearsfan1 2 Time Defending FF Champion

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    Namath is not a top 100 qb of alltime
     
  3. Pack Attack

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    My current top ten...

    Brett Favre
    John Elway
    Joe Montana
    Dan Marino
    Johnny Unitas
    Terry Bradshaw
    Troy Aikman
    Steve Young
    Peyton Manning
    Tom Brady

    And I agree... Namath was not a great QB.
     
  4. Tuna

    Tuna nfl-*****s member

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    My top ten:

    Roger Staubach
    Joe Montana
    Troy Aikman
    Dan Fouts
    Johnny Unitas
    Brett Favre
    Fran Tarkenton(sp?)
    Ken Stabler
    John Elway
    Terry Bradshaw

    Honorable Mention:

    Jim Hart - Best pure pocket passer I ever saw.

    Later.....
     
  5. Eagles4Life

    Eagles4Life He Hate Me

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    Weird, no one mentions the soon to be HOFamer Vinny Testeverde. How strange. [​IMG]
     
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    T.Oforphil81 nfl-*****s member

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    You know what i like about Tunas that i dont about anyone elses tuna does not have Brady as one of his top ten. I am sorry but there are alot better QBs than brady out there. heres my top ten
    1. Donovan Mcnabb
    2.Donovan Mcnabb
    3.Donovan Mcnabb
    4.Donovan Mcnabb
    5.Donovan Mcnabb
    6.Donovan Mcnabb
    7.Donovan Mcnabb
    8.Donovan Mcnabb
    9.Donovan Mcnabb
    10.Donovan Mcnabb
    6.Donovan Mcnabb
    LoL J/K
    1.Terry Bradshaw
    2.John Elway
    3.Brett Favre
    4.Dan Marino
    5.Joe Montana
    6.Joe Namath
    7.Ken Stabler
    8.Bart Starr
    9.Johnny Unitas
    10.Steve Young

    And bleed quick question how the hell do you put Brady in front of namath you idiot!!!!!!!!
     
  7. Bearsfan1

    Bearsfan1 2 Time Defending FF Champion

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    How the hell do you put namath on list at all?

    He threw 40 more INTs than Tds
     
  8. Bearsfan1

    Bearsfan1 2 Time Defending FF Champion

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    1. Dan Marino
    2. Johnny Unitas
    3. John Elway
    4. Joe Montana
    5. Farve(factoring out the sack he gave up tainting his place in game)
    6. Tarkenton
    7. Steve Young
    8. Fouts
    9. Moon
    10. Bradshaw
    11. Staubach
    12. Aikman
    13. Luckman
    14. Simms
    15. Starr - probably higher
    16. Bobby Layne
    17. Brady
    18. Manning, P
    18(t). Jim Kelly
    19. Manning, A
    20. Mcmahon, Jim
    21. Testeverde
    22. Cunningham
    23. Len Dawson
    24. Sammy Baugh

    I am not 100% on the order
     
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    Cowboy71 Dallas Cowboys *********

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (T.Oforphil81)</div><div class='quotemain'>And bleed quick question how the hell do you put Brady in front of namath you idiot!!!!!!!!</div>

    I don't normally sing Brady's praises as a great QB, but I would definitely put Brady ahead of Namath. Did you guys even see Namath play at all? Broadway Joe was born because he was a hot head in a bar and his defense and running game backed him up one year. This is a case where stats do not lie ? he was average at best that had a knack for making big plays from time to time.

    Brady fits into a group with Bart Starr, Bob Griese, and Troy Aikman. I would put these three into a top 25 and Brady will probably earn a place too if not already.

    Manning, like Brady, is a little early maybe, but will certainly be in my top list. He fits more into the Unitas, Fouts, and Marino type.

    No other young guns can be considered?.Culpepper and McNabb included. Give me Roger Staubach, John Elway, Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton as my mobile guys.

    Throw in magic men Montana, Favre, and probably Kenny Stabler for some reason. I guess strong-armed Bradshaw can eek in there.

    Tuna threw out Jim Hart as his ?veteran committee? choice. I will throw in Archie Manning. I loved to watch this guy even though his team perennially stunk.

    Unfortunately, I have to stick to the Superbowl era, as I have seen very little of the pre-SB era to be able to evaluate the Sid Luckman, Sammy Baugh, YA Tittle, Norm Van Brocklin, etc. players, but I am sure there are some top 25 players there too.

    I guess I put about 16 on the list. Who is the best? Depends on what kind of team you have that you want them to play on.
     
  10. Bleedblk&gld

    Bleedblk&gld The Drive

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    Name | G | Comp Att YD Y/A TD INT | Yards TD
    | Aikman,Troy | 165 | 2898 4715 32942 7.0 165 141 | 1016 9 |
    | Anderson,Ke | 192 | 2654 4475 32838 7.3 197 160 | 2220 20 |
    | Bartkowski,Steve| 129 | 1932 3456 24124 7.0 156 144 | 239 11 |
    | Baugh,Sammy | 165 | 1693 2995 21886 7.3 187 203 | 325 9 |
    | Beuerlein,Steve | 147 | 1894 3328 24046 7.2 147 112 | 496 5 |
    | Blake,Jeff | 117 | 1819 3232 21656 6.7 133 99 | 2028 14 |
    | Blanda,George | 342 | 1911 4007 26920 6.7 236 277 | 344 9 |
    | Bledsoe,Drew | 172 | 3449 6049 39808 6.6 221 181 | 686 6 |
    | Bradshaw,Terry | 168 | 2025 3901 27989 7.2 212 210 | 2257 32 |
    | Brady,Tom | 64 | 1243 2018 13925 6.9 97 52 | 244 2 |
    | Brodie,John | 201 | 2469 4491 31548 7.0 214 224 | 1167 22 |
    | Brooks,Aaron | 72 | 1323 2340 16274 7.0 107 67 | 1132 11 |
    | Brunell,Mark | 131 | 2314 3880 26987 7.0 151 92 | 2288 15 |
    | Brunner,Scott | 73 | 512 1046 6457 6.2 29 54 | 137 1 |
    | Chandler,Chris | 181 | 2328 4005 28484 7.1 170 146 | 1310 12 |
    | Collins,Kerry | 137 | 2525 4517 29876 6.6 153 154 | 586 8 |
    | Conerly,Charlie | 161 | 1418 2833 19488 6.9 173 167 | 685 10 |
    | Culpepper,D. | 74 | 1540 2393 18604 7.8 129 74 | 2323 28 |
    | Cunningham,R. | 166 | 2429 4289 29979 7.0 207 134 | 4928 35 |
    | Dawson,Len | 211 | 2136 3741 28711 7.7 239 183 | 1293 9 |
    | Elway,John | 234 | 4123 7250 51475 7.1 300 226 | 3407 33 |
    | Esiason,Boomer | 187 | 2969 5205 37920 7.3 247 184 | 1598 7 |
    | Everett,Jim | 158 | 2841 4923 34837 7.1 203 175 | 596 4 |
    | Favre,Brett | 209 | 4306 7005 49734 7.1 376 226 | 1683 12 |
    | Flutie,Doug | 87 | 1172 2141 14686 6.9 86 68 | 1626 10 |
    | Fouts,Dan | 181 | 3297 5604 43040 7.7 254 242 | 476 13 |
    | Gabriel,Roman | 183 | 2366 4498 29444 6.5 201 149 | 1304 30 |
    | Gannon,Rich | 158 | 2533 4206 28743 6.8 180 104 | 2454 21 |
    | Garcia,Jeff | 85 | 1593 2612 18139 6.9 123 65 | 1730 23 |
    | George,Jeff | 133 | 2298 3967 27602 7.0 154 113 | 307 2 |
    | Graham,Otto | 72 | 872 1565 13499 8.6 88 94 | 682 33 |
    | Green,Trent | 88 | 1705 2822 21607 7.7 133 82 | 737 6 |
    | Griese,Bob | 161 | 1926 3429 25092 7.3 192 172 | 994 7 |
    | Harbaugh,Jim | 183 | 2305 3918 26288 6.7 129 117 | 2787 18 |
    | Hasselbeck,Matt| 77 | 1048 1756 12469 7.1 72 48 | 568 4 |
    | Jones,Bert | 102 | 1430 2551 18190 7.1 124 101 | 1429 14 |
    | Kelly,Jim | 160 | 2874 4779 35467 7.4 237 175 | 1049 7 |
    | Kosar,Bernie | 126 | 1994 3365 23301 6.9 124 87 | 265 5 |
    | Manning,A. | 152 | 2011 3642 23911 6.6 125 173 | 2197 18 |
    | Manning,P. | 112 | 2464 3880 29442 7.6 216 120 | 620 9 |
    | Marino,Dan | 242 | 4967 8358 61361 7.3 420 252 | 87 9 |
    | McNabb,D. | 85 | 1507 2586 16926 6.5 118 57 | 2459 20 |
    | McNair,Steve | 128 | 2013 3395 23980 7.1 140 91 | 3312 35 |
    | Meredith,Don | 104 | 1170 2308 17199 7.5 135 111 | 1216 15 |
    | Montana,Joe | 192 | 3409 5391 40551 7.5 273 139 | 1676 20 |
    | Moon,Warren | 208 | 3988 6823 49325 7.2 291 233 | 1736 22 |
    | Namath,Joe | 140 | 1886 3762 27663 7.4 173 220 | 140 7 |
    | O'Donnell,Neil | 123 | 1865 3229 21690 6.7 120 68 | 446 4 |
    | Plummer,Jake | 111 | 2032 3577 23893 6.7 132 141 | 1590 14 |
    | Ryan,Frank | 126 | 1090 2133 16044 7.5 149 111 | 1358 6 |
    | Rypien,Mark | 107 | 1466 2613 18473 7.1 115 88 | 166 8 |
    | Simms,Phil | 164 | 2576 4647 33462 7.2 199 157 | 1252 6 |
    | Stabler,Ken | 184 | 2270 3793 27938 7.4 194 222 | 93 4 |
    | Starr,Bart | 198 | 1808 3149 24718 7.8 152 138 | 1308 15 |
    | Staubach,Roger| 131 | 1685 2958 22700 7.7 153 109 | 2264 20 |
    | Tarkenton,Fran | 246 | 3686 6467 47003 7.3 342 266 | 3674 32 |
    | Testaverde,V. | 218 | 3631 6420 44475 6.9 268 255 | 1643 13 |
    | Theismann,Joe | 167 | 2044 3602 25206 7.0 160 138 | 1815 17 |
    | Tittle,Y.A. | 178 | 2118 3817 28339 7.4 212 221 | 999 33 |
    | Unitas,Johnny | 211 | 2830 5186 40239 7.8 290 253 | 1777 13 |
    | VanBrocklin,N. | 140 | 1553 2895 23611 8.2 173 178 | 40 11 |
    | Vick,Michael | 43 | 512 955 6619 6.9 36 26 | 2234 13 |
    | Warner,Kurt | 63 | 1295 1965 16501 8.4 108 69 | 232 2 |
    | Young,Steve | 169 | 2667 4149 33124 8.0 232 107 | 4239 43 |



    Please tell me if i left someone out.
     
  11. Tuna

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    I will throw in Archie Manning. I loved to watch this guy even though his team perennially stunk.


    Yea CB71 I thought about Archie too, but he would make the top of my list of QB's that I felt sorry for every time I saw them play. Craig Morton would be another. Dan Pastorini also comes to mind. Later
     
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    You left out some Hall of fame QBs
    Graham, Otto
    Luckman, Sid
     
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    BF1 and I were debating this topic about a year or so ago....We foudn that in matters of football, emotional attachment to players and teams couldnt be removed from our beliefs so we set out to find a way to remove them....I basically input every QB with atleast 20k passing yards(there were 75 of them) into a spreadsheet and then ranked them in every major passing category....from this I was able to get an average of where they fall in the statistical history of the game, I then took that average and subtracted the number of the titles they won as a starter....the number i came up with became the "Career Ratings Index"....I will post what I have, remember these numbers were from before the season that just ended because we originally did this last summer....


    All players were ranked 1-75 in the following categories: Passing Yards, Completion %, % of passes for TDs, % of passes for INT(lowest ranking highest), yards per attempt....add the total ranking together, divide by 5 and then subtract the number of titles won as a starter....

    CRI Name
    2.2 Montana Joe
    8 Young Steve
    9.8 Marino Dan
    13.8 Favre Brett
    16 Moon Warren
    16 Fouts Dan
    16.2 Kelly Jim
    17.4 Elway John
    20.2 Krieg Dave
    20.6 Tarkenton Fran
    20.8 Esiason Boomer
    21.4 Unitas John
    22 Anderson Ken
    23 Dawson Len
    23 Jurgenson Sonny
    23.2 Aikman Troy
    25.8 Everett Jim
    26.6 Manning Peyton
    28 Simms Phil
    28.2 Gannon Rich
    29.6 Testeverde Vinny
    29.8 Cunningham Randall
    30 Brunell Mark
    30.4 Bledsoe Drew
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    30.8 Starr Bart
    31 Stabler Ken
    31.8 Chandler Chris
    34.2 Deberg Steve
    34.4 George Jeff
    34.8 Tittle Y.A.
    35.4 Staubach Roger
    36.2 Mcnair Steve
    37 White Danny
    37.4 Lomax Neil
    37.6 Bradshaw Terry
    37.8 O'Brien Ken
    38 Brodie John
    38.2 Johnson Brad
    38.2 Griese Bob
    38.6 Morton Craig
    39 Beuerlien Steve
    39 Hadl John
    40.2 Theismann Joe
    40.4 Kosar Bernie
    41.4 Harbaugh Jim
    42.4 Grogan Steve
    42.6 Hart Jim
    43.4 VanBrocklin Norm
    43.6 Jaworski Ron
    44.8 Gabriel Roman
    44.8 Snead Norm
    45.2 Layne Bobby
    45.2 Namath Joe
    45.8 O'Donnell Neil
    46.2 Hebert Bobby
    46.6 Ferguson Joe
    46.8 Bartowski Steve
    47 Dickey Lynn
    47 Baugh Sammy
    48.4 Collins Kerry
    48.4 Plunkett Jim
    48.8 Morrall Earl
    49 Sipe Brian
    49.4 Johnson Charlet
    50.6 Blake Jeff
    50.8 Kramer Tommy
    51.2 Blanda George
    56.4 Schroeder Jay
    58.6 Manning Archie
    59 Kilmer Billy
    61.4 Todd Richard
    61.8 Parilli Babe
    63.6 Zorn Jim
    65.6 Kemp Jack


    I drew the line at Drew Bledsoe, he was the 25th QB on the list....
     
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    its really interesting when I look back on the rankings that Testeverde came in just ahead of Cunningham....that I didnt expect but it will keep the debate raging for a while....
     
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    If your doing this list everyone should do a little research on on Otto Graham. He's the definition of "winning quarterback". He deserves to be on everyones list, and pretty close to the top. Hey Pack Attack: I want to see your all-time list....you gotta give a shout out to Lynn Dickey!
     
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    Ah, Lynn Dickey... The painful Packers years! *shudder* Don't remind me... [​IMG]
     
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    so wiat... the lower hte #, the better?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>Ah, Lynn Dickey... The painful Packers years! *shudder* Don't remind me... [​IMG]</div>


    I was kind of waiting for you to announce to everyone that you scored a Paul ot Carruth or Walter Stanley jersey on e-bay!
     
  19. Bleedblk&gld

    Bleedblk&gld The Drive

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>You left out some Hall of fame QBs
    Graham, Otto
    Luckman, Sid</div>


    Sid Luckman is quite old and i doubt most people have heard of him. He only had 2-3 good seasons. He wasn't the main reason why Chicago won games.
     
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    I'm holding out for a Mark Murphy jersey...
     

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