Ainge would hate Fisher if he hated Antoine Walker that much. Walker and Fisher are both high volume shooters.
^Yeah, did anyone hear Barnett say that he doesn't fall in love with guys that shoot only threes like Dmon Jones, hah, he's in love with Fisher already.
What about this Golden State trades: PG Derek Fisher (11.4 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 4.0 apg in 28.3 minutes) Golden State receives: PF Juwan Howard (8.8 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.4 apg in 24.9 minutes) Change in team outlook: -2.6 ppg, +2.7 rpg, and -2.6 apg. Houston trades: PF Juwan Howard (8.8 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.4 apg in 24.9 minutes) Houston receives: PG Derek Fisher (11.4 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 4.0 apg in 28.3 minutes) Change in team outlook: +2.6 ppg, -2.7 rpg, and +2.6 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Due to Golden State and Houston being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Golden State and Houston had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Golden State trades: SF Calbert Cheaney (4.7 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.3 apg in 18.3 minutes) SG Mickael Pietrus (8.4 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 19.5 minutes) SF Eduardo Najera (4.5 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.5 minutes) Golden State receives: SG Dorell Wright (0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes) C Michael Olowokandi (5.0 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.4 apg in 17.3 minutes) Change in team outlook: -12.6 ppg, -3.3 rpg, and -3.0 apg. Miami trades: SG Eddie Jones (12.7 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.7 apg in 35.8 minutes) SG Dorell Wright (0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes) C Michael Doleac (3.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.1 minutes) Miami receives: SF Eduardo Najera (4.5 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.5 minutes) SG Latrell Sprewell (12.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.2 apg in 30.5 minutes) Change in team outlook: +0.4 ppg, -2.6 rpg, and -0.1 apg. Minnesota trades: C Michael Olowokandi (5.0 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.4 apg in 17.3 minutes) SG Latrell Sprewell (12.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.2 apg in 30.5 minutes) Minnesota receives: SF Calbert Cheaney (4.7 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.3 apg in 18.3 minutes) SG Mickael Pietrus (8.4 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 19.5 minutes) SG Eddie Jones (12.7 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.7 apg in 35.8 minutes) C Michael Doleac (3.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.1 minutes) Change in team outlook: +12.2 ppg, +5.9 rpg, and +3.1 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Due to Golden State, Miami, and Minnesota being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Golden State, Miami, and Minnesota had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Golden State trades: C Dale Davis (2.7 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 0.6 apg in 15.7 minutes) PF Clifford Robinson (8.8 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.8 apg in 26.4 minutes) PG Speedy Claxton (12.8 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 6.0 apg in 32.3 minutes) Golden State receives: SF Paul Pierce (22.3 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 4.3 apg in 36.2 minutes) PG Gary Payton (12.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 6.3 apg in 33.0 minutes) Change in team outlook: +10.4 ppg, -0.4 rpg, and +2.2 apg. Boston trades: SF Paul Pierce (22.3 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 4.3 apg in 36.2 minutes) PG Gary Payton (12.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 6.3 apg in 33.0 minutes) Boston receives: C Dale Davis (2.7 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 0.6 apg in 15.7 minutes) PF Clifford Robinson (8.8 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.8 apg in 26.4 minutes) PG Speedy Claxton (12.8 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 6.0 apg in 32.3 minutes) Change in team outlook: -10.4 ppg, +0.4 rpg, and -2.2 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Due to Golden State and Boston being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Golden State and Boston had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. We also throw in 2 first rounders. Golden State trades: SF Mike Dunleavy (12.4 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.7 apg in 32.6 minutes) Golden State receives: Nene Hilario (No games yet played in 2004/05) SF Bryon Russell (4.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 16.1 minutes) Change in team outlook: -7.7 ppg, -2.7 rpg, and -1.6 apg. Denver trades: Nene Hilario (No games yet played in 2004/05) SF Bryon Russell (4.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 16.1 minutes) Denver receives: SF Mike Dunleavy (12.4 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.7 apg in 32.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: +7.7 ppg, +2.7 rpg, and +1.6 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Due to Golden State and Denver being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Golden State and Denver had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Look what we end up with PG: Gary Payton/ Luis Flores SG: Jason Richardson/ Dorrel Wright/ Byron Russel SF: Paul Pierce/ Zarko Cabarkapa/ Byron Russell PF: Troy Murphy/ Juwan Howard/ Zarko Cabarkapa C: Nene/ Michael Owolokandi/ Andris Biedrins That could be a playoff team in the next years. Then in the draft we get Marvin Williams and get rid of Byron Russel and PG: Gary Payton/ Luis Flores SG: Jason Richardson/ Dorrel Wright SF: Paul Pierce/ Marvin Williams/ Zarko Cabarkapa PF: Troy Murphy/ Juwan Howard/ Zarko Cabarkapa C:Nene/ Michael Owolokandi/Andris Biedrins
Alston is good and him and speedy could play off each other and plus he is on a good contract while speedy is about to be a FA soon. Golden State trades: PG Derek Fisher (11.8 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 4.1 apg in 28.6 minutes) SF Mike Dunleavy (12.4 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.7 apg in 32.6 minutes) Golden State receives: SF Lamond Murray (6.8 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 16.4 minutes) PG Rafer Alston (13.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 7.0 apg in 33.2 minutes) Change in team outlook: -3.6 ppg, -1.4 rpg, and +1.2 apg. Toronto trades: SF Lamond Murray (6.8 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 16.4 minutes) PG Rafer Alston (13.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 7.0 apg in 33.2 minutes) Toronto receives: PG Derek Fisher (11.8 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 4.1 apg in 28.6 minutes) SF Mike Dunleavy (12.4 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.7 apg in 32.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: +3.6 ppg, +1.4 rpg, and -1.2 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED GS: Get good value for dunleavy in alston while getting rid of fisher for murray who is a FA after next season. PG: Speedy/Alston/Flores SG: Richardson/Cheney SF: Pietrus/Najera/Murray PF: Murphy/Cabarkapa/Bierdens C: Foyle/Cliffy/Davis/Bierdens Tor: gets rid of alston while picking up a Good player to complement bosh and fisher would play good off of bosh too. PG: Fisher/Palacio/Williams(IR) SG: Peterson/Rose SF: Dunleavy/E.Williams PF: Bosh/Marshall/Bonner/Sow C: Araujo/A.Williams/Woods/Zo(IR)
That sequence of deals J Rich put up has my head swimming. Juwon Howard and Payton are slipping,and both are paid a lot for what they bring now-notice Speedy's numbers are identical to Paytons If we can get Nene for Dunleavy that would be sweet. I like Pierce,for sure.giving a pair of high picks is scary. If such a complex set of deals did happen the Warriors would be better for awhile. Later on we'd feel Olowokandi was an underachiever and Payton was getting too slow-and we would be looking at who we didn't get to draft. more realistic,we probably can't get the best part of that batch and I'd worry about a complex plan coming up short,for instance without Nene the final result is not as strong
Now that Cliff is gone, I'm really starting to wonder what is going to happen with Dale. My thoughts immediately go to the $10M trade exception, which is currently residing in Detroit. I don't know if the Pistons would be willing to sacrifice future for another championship run, but this trade works out salary-wise: Davis/Najera <-> Trade exception/Darko We could throw in a pick from our vast selection, too. Larry Brown might be in favor of this trade because he swaps one non-factor for two solid defenders/offensive rebounders. I'm sure most Detroit fans would probably be up in arms, but Davis and Najera would help their chances for a push into the late postseason. From our standpoint, I'm not sure how much faith I have in Darko, so I'm not really sure why I am posting this trade. I guess if we have 2 prospects at center, we have twice the chance that one will actually become an everyday player. I really wish Montgomery would put Biedrins into games a little bit, that way I would have a better feeling for what he can do and I wouldn't have to waste my time speculating cr@p like this.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GSWScruff:</div><div class="quote_post">Now that Cliff is gone, I'm really starting to wonder what is going to happen with Dale. My thoughts immediately go to the $10M trade exception, which is currently residing in Detroit. I don't know if the Pistons would be willing to sacrifice future for another championship run, but this trade works out salary-wise: Davis/Najera <-> Trade exception/Darko We could throw in a pick from our vast selection, too. Larry Brown might be in favor of this trade because he swaps one non-factor for two solid defenders/offensive rebounders. I'm sure most Detroit fans would probably be up in arms, but Davis and Najera would help their chances for a push into the late postseason. From our standpoint, I'm not sure how much faith I have in Darko, so I'm not really sure why I am posting this trade. I guess if we have 2 prospects at center, we have twice the chance that one will actually become an everyday player. I really wish Montgomery would put Biedrins into games a little bit, that way I would have a better feeling for what he can do and I wouldn't have to waste my time speculating cr@p like this.</div> They're already winning though and they probably would not trade their future. Larry Brown won't be there forever too.
Yeah you're right custodian, optimism and lack of sleep got the best of me. I wonder what we can get for Davis, though? I'm not sure I want $10M worth of players in a trade.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GSWScruff:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah you're right custodian, optimism and lack of sleep got the best of me. I wonder what we can get for Davis, though? I'm not sure I want $10M worth of players in a trade.</div> No worries, it would be cool to get Darko. I just think there will be a time when the Pistons want to use him as the next franchise player after Ben Wallace/Rasheed Wallace gets too old/injured and a coach will be hired that will give him more time to play. He's the Dunleavy of the Pistons, only he's got the size and athleticism to play any position He's really young, but he will be very good if his attitude improves. Can't believe one time he missed a dunk during garbage time and hurt his hand doing it. lol That's karma telling him to be more humble. Larry Brown is the man, you don't question him, Darko.
What about this Golden State trades: PG Derek Fisher (12.1 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 4.0 apg in 29.4 minutes) Golden State receives: PG Eric Snow (4.4 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.7 apg in 22.7 minutes) Change in team outlook: -7.7 ppg, -0.8 rpg, and -0.3 apg. Cleveland trades: PG Eric Snow (4.4 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.7 apg in 22.7 minutes) Cleveland receives: PG Derek Fisher (12.1 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 4.0 apg in 29.4 minutes) Change in team outlook: +7.7 ppg, +0.8 rpg, and +0.3 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Due to Golden State and Cleveland being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Golden State and Cleveland had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. or Golden State trades: PG Derek Fisher (12.1 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 4.0 apg in 29.4 minutes) SG Mickael Pietrus (8.3 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 19.5 minutes) Golden State receives: PG Sam Cassell (14.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 5.8 apg in 28.1 minutes) PF Eddie Griffin (8.0 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.3 minutes) Change in team outlook: +1.9 ppg, +3.8 rpg, and +1.4 apg. Minnesota trades: PG Sam Cassell (14.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 5.8 apg in 28.1 minutes) PF Eddie Griffin (8.0 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.3 minutes) Minnesota receives: PG Derek Fisher (12.1 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 4.0 apg in 29.4 minutes) SG Mickael Pietrus (8.3 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 19.5 minutes) Change in team outlook: -1.9 ppg, -3.8 rpg, and -1.4 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Due to Golden State and Minnesota being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Golden State and Minnesota had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Or this Golden State trades: PG Derek Fisher (12.1 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 4.0 apg in 29.4 minutes) Golden State receives: C Michael Doleac (3.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.2 minutes) SG Wesley Person (3.9 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.7 apg in 12.9 minutes) SG Dorell Wright (0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes) Change in team outlook: -4.3 ppg, +1.7 rpg, and -2.8 apg. Miami trades: C Michael Doleac (3.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.2 minutes) SG Wesley Person (3.9 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.7 apg in 12.9 minutes) SG Dorell Wright (0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes) Miami receives: PG Derek Fisher (12.1 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 4.0 apg in 29.4 minutes) Change in team outlook: +4.3 ppg, -1.7 rpg, and +2.8 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Due to Golden State and Miami being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Golden State and Miami had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Buy out Doleac
well what about this: Golden State trades: SF Eduardo Najera (4.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 14.8 minutes) PG Derek Fisher (12.3 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 4.1 apg in 29.8 minutes) C Dale Davis (3.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.6 apg in 16.0 minutes) Golden State receives: PG Rafer Alston (14.0 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 7.1 apg in 33.7 minutes) SG Jalen Rose (16.7 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.3 apg in 30.4 minutes) Change in team outlook: +11.0 ppg, -3.1 rpg, and +3.8 apg. Toronto trades: PG Rafer Alston (14.0 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 7.1 apg in 33.7 minutes) SG Jalen Rose (16.7 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.3 apg in 30.4 minutes) Toronto receives: SF Eduardo Najera (4.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 14.8 minutes) PG Derek Fisher (12.3 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 4.1 apg in 29.8 minutes) C Dale Davis (3.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.6 apg in 16.0 minutes) Change in team outlook: -11.0 ppg, +3.1 rpg, and -3.8 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED GS: we get rid of fisher for a better pg in alston on a much better contract. We lose the cap releif and take on rose, but he only has two years left after this season on contract and either wait out for cap relief or deal him when in his last year, he is also a defined score the warriors could use. Plus we unload najera. PG: Speedy/Alston/Flores SG: Jrich/Pietrus/Cheney SF: Rose/Pietrus/Zarko PF: Dundun/Zarko/Murphy C: Murphy/Foyle/Bierdens TOR: Gets rid of rafer and rose's contract for some cap relief and a veteran pg in fisher and a hustle player in najera. help free's up a good chunk of cap to work with this summer. although it leaves them a little weak at G. PG: Fisher/Palacio/Williams(IR) SG: MoPete/Murray SF: E.Will/Najera PF: Bosh/Marshall/Bonner/Sow C: Araujo/DD/Woods
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Map1986:</div><div class="quote_post">GS: we get rid of fisher for a better pg in alston on a much better contract. We lose the cap releif and take on rose, but he only has two years left after this season on contract and either wait out for cap relief or deal him when in his last year, he is also a defined score the warriors could use. Plus we unload najera.</div> I think Rafer would be a pretty good fit for our team (I don't think Monty is going to be challenging him to any fights), but Rose is up near the top of my list of players I would least like to have. The guy can score, but he incessantly whines about minutes and occupies positions that are supposed to be held down by JR, Mike, and Mickael. He is also supposed to be one of the worst defenders out there and his contract is atrocious. Even though we would try to dump him one year from now, he is a deal breaker in my mind. I'm hanging on the hope that we have a chance of being pretty good next season and I don't want to doom it prematurely by adding an outspoken, disgruntled vet.
hoopshype reports us talking to philly about dalembert and bay area writer(can't remember his name) said we would have to talk robinson(glenn), which is not a problem since he is off the books this offseason, so(via realgm) it would have to be something like fisher/davis/future 1st rounder for robinson/dalembert....i would like that a lot....
Dalembert eh? He looked great last April or May of last season... and hasn't done anything since... I smell Mickael Pietrus part II, and besides we have F-C Andris Biedrens. I'm still pulling for any trade that would involve Carlos Arroyo, but I don't think there's anybody they want from us. We need another playmaker badly and nobody is giving up any big man with low post moves.
