<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">But wouldn't you agree he has not produced the way a #1 pick is projected to? In comparison to other High School big men, I would definitely consider Kwame a bust. Just take a look at the 3rd season as a pro comparisons to the likes of KG or Amare. Kwame - 10.7 PPG 7.4 RPG .7 BPG KG - 18.5 PPG 9.6 RPG 1.8 BPG Amare - 26 PPG 8.5 RPG 1.6 BPG Right now I would consider him a late bloomer, and hopefully he turns out to be another Jermaine O'neal. But until he can put up better numbers and be more consistent I consider Kwame to be struggling thus far in his career.</div> I agree with you 100%. Compared to KG and Amare, he is a bust. BUT, you can't ignore the situation Kwame was thrown in. He had a head coach that didn't trust him at all (Doug Collins), he had the best player to ever grace the court all over his ass after every single mistake (MJ), and he was expected to make an immediate impact and turn around that franchise. All of that piled onto an 18 year old fresh out of HS ( I think he should of done atleast a year of college ball, don't get me wrong), of course he is going to struggle. His head coach, the man who is supposed to teach him the game at the NBA level, the man he can turn to, didn't trust him and yanked him out of the game after every little mistake. I am not even exaggerating here, Kwame would turn the ball over on a travel or offensive foul, someone was up off of the bench and Kwame was back on the bench. I agree, I think he will be a late-bloomer, he trains with Jermaine O'neal and has all the skills and tools to be just as good as O'neal, I just think he needs a new team or a coach who trusts him..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">There's a lot of players who have failed making the jump from Highschool to the Pros. Busts Korleone Young Omar Cooke Leon Smith Ousmane Cisse James Lang Struggling Pros Darius Miles Kwame Brown Sagana Diop Ndubi Ebi Kendrick Perkins Travis Outlaw Robert Swift Deshawn Stevenson Jonathan Bender Also keep in mind the age limit really impacts foreign players as well. And a lot of players coming out of high school have gone undrafted like Taj McDavid and Ellis Richardson. Out of curiosity, are you for or against the Age Limt?</div> Thanks Shapecity. I'll use the struggling players in my second draft. We have to write three drafts for each paper, and this first draft I did only had to be 400-500 words so I didn't need to use too many examples. To answer your question (and by no means should this thread turn into a discussion around my answer, Shapecity's question), I am for an age limit. If I get some extra time outside of my classes I'll make a trip over to the thread discussing this issue and voice my opinions.
Glad we could help. Good luck with the paper! I hope you do post in the other thread, because I would like the opportunity to change your mind.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting S.Livingston14:</div><div class="quote_post">You guys forgot Ronnie Fields, one of the greatest highschool dunkers ever. He played for Farragut academy(KG's high school). He has a 48 inch vertical and was know as the King of Hops. KG and Fields was one of the top tandems in Chicago High School Basketball History. His senior season stats boasted 32.4 points, 12.2 rebounds, 5.1 assists, 4.5 blocked shots, four steals and 4.5 dunks. Fields had commited to DePaul but when his grades started to decrease rapidly he had to enter the draft. He got into a car crash and was seriously injured. He is currently in the USBL, and appears way beyond his age. photo of him two years ago: </div> You can't label Ron a bust. If not for his car accident I think he would have been an excellent pro. KG has said on many occasions that Ronnie was the best player he had ever seen or played against. Period. If anything,we file him under the catergory of 'What If'....
well.... <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Dre:</div><div class="quote_post">You can't label Ron a bust. If not for his car accident I think he would have been an excellent pro. KG has said on many occasions that Ronnie was the best player he had ever seen or played against. Period. If anything,we file him under the catergory of 'What If'....</div> so are you saying a player whose career is derailed by constant injuries isnt a bust? I beg to differ...if you ae classifying him as a what if that means he never reached that level making him a bust. Urbandictionary.com (funny site) defines bust as: "a total failure, a complete waste of time" he fits that description pretty well
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JWohl:</div><div class="quote_post">so are you saying a player whose career is derailed by constant injuries isnt a bust? I beg to differ...if you ae classifying him as a what if that means he never reached that level making him a bust. Urbandictionary.com (funny site) defines bust as: "a total failure, a complete waste of time" he fits that description pretty well</div> Did you read what I wrote? nowhere did i say.. are you saying a player whose career is derailed by constant injuries isnt a bust? You cannot label a horrific car accident as constant injuries...thats ridiculous. Now lets say said player gets hurt on the court constantly then your claim would be valid because factors like conditioning,etc come into play. Total failure? When you learn a little about Ronnie Fields and his past ability then come back and we can talk...labeling a 'total failure..complete waste of time' is completely ludicrous on your part.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JWohl:</div><div class="quote_post">so are you saying a player whose career is derailed by constant injuries isnt a bust? I beg to differ...if you ae classifying him as a what if that means he never reached that level making him a bust. Urbandictionary.com (funny site) defines bust as: "a total failure, a complete waste of time" he fits that description pretty well</div> Totally wrong. He didn't even have a chance to show his full potential as a pro because of the accident, if Kevin Garnett said what he said about him, you know he is damn good..and no where a bust, just unlucky.
