I don't know if this makes Toronto fans look bad. It looks like they care about their basketball that much.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting raptors4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Toronto's probably the only city in the NBA that would ever do that to someone. People are acting like he's planted a frigging bomb in the city. </div>Just wait til Boozer comes back to cleveland.
I don't know why people are saying that it makes Toronto fans look like bitter fans. There hasn't been a person to do this in the NBA before. No one has demanded a trade publicly and then played horribly and drop his value to incredible lows. It was a very disrespectful thing to do to Raptors fans, so I think that they deserved to get a chance to relieve their frustration and anger at Vince's actions. Not to mention that he was playing like a coward, staying away from contact and whining about every call. Personally, when I watched the game, I found the booing halarious! I could be getting food and whenever Vince even touched the ball I would know he had it. A missed VC shot produced big cheers, it was funny and enjoyable. All I hope now is that the Nets miss playoffs. Go Cleveland, Go Phili!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post"> I guess you're so used to losing that when another team is sucessful and is in the pursuit of something other than a lottery pick, it burns you inside. I'm glad Vince dominanted this game and I'm glad the Nets won. The Toronto crowd deserved to get owned like that. Look, Vince was great for us from 1991 to mid-2002 and he struggled from 2002 to 2004. It kind of cancels each other out. I grew up watching him and I never thought I would see this day. Ever. </div> No, what really burns us inside is that we could easily be in the same position as New Jersey is in if Vince gave even half of the effort he is giving in NJ now. You can't say that NJ has a better team now with Vince than we had had before the trade. Why the difference in records then? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post"> For everything he has done for this city, and it's people, this is what he gets? Tracy was booed because he left Toronto but he didn't do half the things VC has done for this city, its community, our people. Oh man, I am really glad the Nets won tonight and Vince dropped 39. Raptors fans, I have realized, are the most ungrateful fans in the world. They don't seem to remember the positives, but focus on the negatives. Damn, you guys are bitter. </div> There is something called a "commitment". You might have heard of it. When things are going well and the team was doing well, he was all smiles and even said he would be a "Raptor for life". The fans stuck behind him through all the injuries and what does he do when there are some tough times for the Raptors? - he quits and want to go to a "winner". <div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post"> I am a Raptors fan, first and foremost but I really wanted VC to blow up and drop 50, just to prove a point. Add some salt in the "wound" that was 50% created by the media. I don't fault VC for being traded or leaving the way he left. I blame Rob Babcock for making one of the stupidest trades (though he had no choice) and the Toronto media for trying to eat it's athletes' heart out based on what the american media was saying about them. You don't know what you have until it's gone. Ask Kobe about that, and ask the bitter Raptors fans all across the city and this board.</div> And why was the media on him? Because they knew he wasn't putting his all into the last couple of seasons which turned out to be completely accurate. He is a professional athlete that makes 15 million a year. If he can't handle the media then he shouldn't be playing in the NBA. He sure didn't have a problem when he was accepting all the credit and fame for the team's turnaround. But taking the blame for the teams stuggles? It's the management's fault for not bringing in the players. PLEASE.
All I have to say is the haters were asking for it. I can understand some booing just because of all the frustration of what Vince did, how he screwed us over. But it did get too far especially when there were death threats..its obviously a hoax. That is still not smart, or funny.
is wat we will always talk about after vince plays the raptors. i noe vince screwed u over but get over it.. i noe its kinda hard though
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">is wat we will always talk about after vince plays the raptors. i noe vince screwed u over but get over it.. i noe its kinda hard though</div> This happened this season, if it was 10 years ago and we were all still grumpy about it then it would be a different situation. However this is the FIRST game Vince has actually played against us, so we have the right to bring up our frustration at this point in time.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">is wat we will always talk about after vince plays the raptors. i noe vince screwed u over but get over it.. i noe its kinda hard though</div>This was his first time back, don't tell them to get over it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> that the Toronto fans don't have a bit of respect for anything he did for them. </div> Then it's a two way street. If the Raptors fans don't respect what he did for them, then was it right for him to just leave and disrespect Raptor fans by not even giving half of an effort? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> No, what really burns us inside is that we could easily be in the same position as New Jersey is in if Vince gave even half of the effort he is giving in NJ now. You can't say that NJ has a better team now with Vince than we had had before the trade. Why the difference in records then? </div> Once again, it brings me to the Babcock point. He's the GM, he was the one that was responsible for trading Vince for people that would actually help us rather then sit and watch. Carter didn't play a lot this year in Toronto and when he did, he didn't do that well. The point is, if Babcock hadn't traded Vince, the Raptors would probabl;y be in the same position as they are now, headed to the lottery because it was clear that Vince wasn't giving it his best. Yes, I know that's wrong. I'm not defending that, though it may seem like it. I'm defending the fact that Carter got booed the way he did. As someone said, you guy acted like he planted a friggin bomb in the city. Yes, what he did was childish and very unprofessional but I also place the blame on the management for how this situation even started and ended the way it did. Don't say I'm contradicting myself but I can't argue with the fact that Vince really did screw us over, but for him to be booed the way he was, was just unbelieveable.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">is wat we will always talk about after vince plays the raptors. i noe vince screwed u over but get over it.. i noe its kinda hard though</div> I am over it, I never went on about it anyways. I think that was totally wrong was Vince did, but Im not gonna dwell on it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm defending the fact that Carter got booed the way he did. As someone said, you guy acted like he planted a friggin bomb in the city. Yes, what he did was childish and very unprofessional but I also place the blame on the management for how this situation even started and ended the way it did. Don't say I'm contradicting myself but I can't argue with the fact that Vince really did screw us over, but for him to be booed the way he was, was just unbelieveable.</div> People are just venting their frustrations. What else do you expect them to do? Everyone would have respected him much more if he was just professional about it and played his hardest even if he didn't want to be here anymore. By putting his half-hearted effort, he pretty much prevented us from getting fair value in any trade. He knew this and he still did it, which tells me he couldn't give two craps about the Raptors future or their fans. The same fans that supported him through everything. So you can understand why some people were so upset.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post">Then it's a two way street. If the Raptors fans don't respect what he did for them, then was it right for him to just leave and disrespect Raptor fans by not even giving half of an effort?</div> Your logic is bad. It is not a two way street. Its a mere action-reaction situation. Action:Vince Carter plays hard with Oakley forcing him to. Reaction: People respect him. Action:VC plays half-assed, becomes a whiny prissy baby and demands trades Reactioneople no longer respect him. Especially when he damages the franchise. It is not that the fans suddenly backstabbed him, Vince destroyed his value and hurt the Raptors by causing many lost games.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Purple Fever:</div><div class="quote_post">Amen. Listen to me, at some point during the game, I felt kind of emberrassed to be there as a Raptor fan. I cheered for every play by the Raptors, but to see the stupid puckheads screaming and chanting "VC Sucks" while he's on the bench is absolutly ridiculous!! Or when Milt is shooting free throws, like the last thing we need is to scream loud when Palacio is shooting, he's already terrible. Ok, yes, he demanded a trade, and didn't push himself as hard as he could for this team, but come on now, people have really got to reorder their priorities in life. It irritates me to no end when I found out that most of the people booing in my row are a result of media hype and Vince bashing, boo at the introdutions or when he's at the free throw line, but when he's lighting you up for 39, and 17 points in the 3rd quorter, you should shut the f--k up!!</div> For those reasons, Vince deserves a lifetime of booing. Priorities in life? If I'm gonna be at a game where I get to see a former Raptor who did nothing good the last three years, I'm going to show my disatisfaction. Booing has nothing to do with your priorities in life, all Raptor fans knew this game ment absolutely nothing to them, except for the return of Vince Carter. The fans didn't care if Vince was on fire, do you expect them to cheer when he drops 39 points? The booing really had nothing to do with what he did in the game, it was for those long, grueling three or four years of him being in a Raptor uniform. The fans were with him through all the tough times, and he just spit back in our faces, pardon them for booing .
Other than taking to the Raptors to the Playoffs for a couple of seasons and winning a Slam Dunk contest, what else has he done for the city of Toronto? Charity work, sure.. Put Toronto on the map, sure... But did he bring a championship? Let alone get us past the second round of the playoffs? Nope. He had three good seasons, got signed to a max contract, claimed to be a "Raptor for life" got all the players he wanted to be resigned to play with him and Got his momma a nice parking spot. So what does he do in return? Plays like a WNBA player, gets injured, whines about the media, STOPS taking the ball to the hole, gets injured some more, whines, goes out to the Much Music Video awards to dance on stage with Lil'Bowow when he was supposed to be injured, has a charity all-star game and starts dunkin like a mad man, then gets injured and finally wants out. All because he didnt like the new management. So I ask again, what has he done for this city who gave him our support and commitment? He left us and totally screwed us over for the next couple of years, so yes we as fans have every right to boo him and bash him. I cant wait to see your reactions when he decides "its time to look out for myself" when J-Kidd decides to go to a winner.
