Isiah Wild Over Wally

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">April 19, 2005 -- Expect Knicks president Isiah Thomas to make another run at disgruntled Timberwolves star Wally Szczerbiak this summer.
    After the Wolves were eliminated from the playoffs Sunday, the Long Island sharpshooter said he deserved to start late in the season, admitted he could use "a fresh start" and indicated he might ask for a trade this summer.

    The Knicks had talks with Minnesota last August about a trade of Kurt Thomas for Szczerbiak, who would be a surefire starter. Isiah Thomas is planning as if ailing Allan Houston will never play another game for the Knicks.

    Szczerbiak, 28, will return to his Long Island home in Cold Spring Harbor next week. He's familiar with the Knicks, having made regular appearances at their summer basketball camp.

    "It would be appealing," said his father Walter Szczerbiak of playing for the Knicks. "He's always said that. I think he can help the Knicks because you don't know what Allan Houston's going to be doing." </div>

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    Yet another article on Wally! Surprisingly, I don't know if I want Wally here anymore. I mean a great shooter is what the Knicks need, but I really have faith in Houston to make a comeback. Also if the Knicks draft Green, than where would Ariza be along with Wally World? I don't know if 3 great/great-to-be SF's can mesh together that is unless...Isiah decides to losen up the backcourt with Marbury and Crawford.
     
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    Number one we shouldnt even be thinking about drafting Gerald Green. Number two even if Houston comes back having another three point shooter on the floor will give us the same kind of line up we would have had if Van Horn had remained in New York. Marbury slashing to the hoop while Houston and Wally spot up from the perimeter.

    Whether or not we get Wally depends on the other moves we make this off season. Like the Big Z situation. If Big Z for some out of this world reason decides to take a paycut and sign with us(can someone tell me what are the chances of that please?) or is traded to us by the Cavaliers then trading Kurt for Wally, or our expiring contracts, just might be in our best interests. So getting Wally may or not be wise depending on how we handle the summer.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Number one we shouldnt even be thinking about drafting Gerald Green. Number two even if Houston comes back having another three point shooter on the floor will give us the same kind of line up we would have had if Van Horn had remained in New York. Marbury slashing to the hoop while Houston and Wally spot up from the perimeter.

    Whether or not we get Wally depends on the other moves we make this off season. Like the Big Z situation. If Big Z for some out of this world reason decides to take a paycut and sign with us(can someone tell me what are the chances of that please?) or is traded to us by the Cavaliers then trading Kurt for Wally, or our expiring contracts, just might be in our best interests. So getting Wally may or not be wise depending on how we handle the summer.</div>
    His wife and him love NY and they are buying a house here. So joining the Knicks may be quite possible. Tribute, I'd rather trade Kurt Thomas for a 1st round pick and an expiring contract. Speaking of that, I think trading our expiring contracts for someone that expires in 2007 can turn out well.
     
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    Houston <u>>>>>>**WILL NOT**<<<<<<</u> make a grant hill like come back. Lets face it we need a shooter i dont see why we shouldnt try to get him. once again Allan Houston <u>>>>>>**WILL NOT**<<<<<<</u> comeback as an allstar callibur player or even a good player. He will be mediocore at best if he even does comeback.
     
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    People were saying the exact same thing about Grant Hill and we saw what happened. Even a mediocre Houston can help us. He has shown us even on one leg, he can hit big shots. Remember that game we were down 19 in the 4th quarter and won the game...because of a big 3 sending the game into overtime by Allan Houston. Wally is kind of cheap too and also if we're going to trade Kurt Thomas, let's do it for some draft picks and an expiring contract. We would clean up cap room, give space for our rookies to develop, and we could even land someone who is just as good or even better than Kurt Thomas. There is a good possiblity Green could come here too. Isiah said that he wants an athletic swingman and Green is that person. With him and Ariza and Wally on the same team, I can see possible friction.
     
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    If a trade like this went down Isiah will have gone full circle. He traded KVH for TT to become more athletic. Now Wally would be replacing TT in the lineup being less athletic and more of a shooter. Cant he just make up his mind?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jwhol:</div><div class="quote_post">If a trade like this went down Isiah will have gone full circle. He traded KVH for TT to become more athletic. Now Wally would be replacing TT in the lineup being less athletic and more of a shooter. Cant he just make up his mind?</div>

    He probably came to the same conclusion as everyone else and realized that was probably his biggest mistake as the Knicks GM. Now he wants to get back that same formula we would have had if he didnt mess everything up. I guess you could say he's flip flopping.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting BobbyEscobar:</div><div class="quote_post">Houston <u>>>>>>**WILL NOT**<<<<<<</u> make a grant hill like come back. Lets face it we need a shooter i dont see why we shouldnt try to get him. once again Allan Houston <u>>>>>>**WILL NOT**<<<<<<</u> comeback as an allstar callibur player or even a good player. He will be mediocore at best if he even does comeback.</div>

    You sure?? I actually hope he doesnt make a Grant Hill like comeback. It took Grant Hill about four years to get his act together. By the way werent people saying the same thing about McDyuess and Alonzo Mourning? And then there's my most favorite example, Bernard King. The man had a potentially career ending injury. The Knicks dropped him as soon as they could even though he swore he would return to his old form. Years later he's an All Star in the Garden beating the Knicks by himself. You'd think people would learn from history...I'm going to be honest with you the Knicks will not go anywhere next season if Houston isnt healthy. That's the truth. The only reason why we even made the playoffs last season was because Houston returned prematurely. We fall apart in crunch time and unless you know any other players who can make big time shots that's on the market, Houston is the only guy who can bail us out. So instead of being so negative you should be a bit more optimistic. You should keep your fingers crossed and pray he's healthy because if he's not one year from now we'll be discussing the pros and cons of Josh Boone's game and whether or not we should draft him over Rudy Gay.
     
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    I don't like trading my best defender for another shooter on the floor.So Please if the deal comesdown Isiah Thomas better make sure he includes a 7 foot center.If is not...
    WE ARE STILL UNDERSIZE AND WITHOUT A TRUE CENTER ON THE FLOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Allan Houston is not Bernard King and was never on his level. Allan Houston is not Grant Hill and was never on his level. You named 2 Hall of Famers 1 could have been Hall of Famer and a player who isnt playing the way he used to. Mcdyess is no where near the level he was playing before. Allan Houston career well ne be revived. Lets stick a fork in him. Maybe even give him a tribute.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting BobbyEscobar:</div><div class="quote_post">Allan Houston is not Bernard King and was never on his level. Allan Houston is not Grant Hill and was never on his level. You named 2 Hall of Famers 1 could have been Hall of Famer and a player who isnt playing the way he used to. Mcdyess is no where near the level he was playing before. Allan Houston career well ne be revived. Lets stick a fork in him. Maybe even give him a tribute.</div>

    Allan Houston is definetely not Bernard King. And obviously Grant Hill isnt playing like he used to but he was still an All Star this year. Grant Hill may have been better but he wasnt on a completely different level than Houston. You're sort of missing the point. The point is all of these guys I named were never supposed to have a significant role on an NBA team again. But they never quit on themselves, never listened to the skeptics like yourself and eventually made successful comebacks. You dont know if Houston will come back or not. So his career isnt over until he decides to retire. But if you think it's time to stick a fork in it I suppose you've decided to stick a fork in next season as well because I said it before and I'll say it again were looking at the lottery if he isnt healthy plain and simple. So tell me, what do you think of Uros Tripokovich? By the way that "tribute" remark isnt as clever as you think it is.
     
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    I think Wally Zerberiack is the exact person we need on this team to become a title contender. Dump TT for Zerberiack!
     
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    Yes, add "Zerberiack" and subtract TT, and you guys are suddenly transformed from a lottery team to a title contender. I can definitely see that happening.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, add "Zerberiack" and subtract TT, and you guys are suddenly transformed from a lottery team to a title contender. I can definitely see that happening.</div>
    Well one of the main problems that the Knicks are where they are has been due to injuries. While I wouldn't call them title contenders yet, replacing Wally with TT will definitely be a step in the right direction. With all of the Knicks healthy and there was a straight up Wally TT trade, I think we can make it to the 2nd round.
     
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    Wally is a product of playing with KG. He's not nearly as good a player as Isiah, and especially Wally, thinks that he is.

    If my team ever traded for Sczcerbiak I'd be extremely pissed.

    But that's just me.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Birdman33:</div><div class="quote_post">Wally is a product of playing with KG. He's not nearly as good a player as Isiah, and especially Wally, thinks that he is.

    If my team ever traded for Sczcerbiak I'd be extremely pissed.

    But that's just me.</div>
    Sure Wally thrives off of double teams and the attention KG draws, but he's still a good player and an all-star for that matter. In New York, he can thrive off of double teams Marbury, and Sweetney and maybe our new draft pick will get.
     
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    Banks you are crazy, if you have the leagues best point guard, Crawford, Wally, KT, Sweetney + picks you're gonna be a title contender in the east for sure.

    If a team like NJ made playoffs this year then NY is gonna dominate next year. NJ had no big men and the 3rd best pg, a injured deteriorating VC, and a guy who can only dunk(RJ). NY will be in the ECF no prob.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting #3 Marbury:</div><div class="quote_post">the leagues best point guard,</div>

    When did NY get Steve Nash/Jason Kidd/Baron Davis/Gilbert Arenas?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">When did NY get Steve Nash/Jason Kidd/Baron Davis/Gilbert Arenas?</div>
    [​IMG] I believe we traded for this amazing hybrid player (Steve Nash/Jason Kidd/Gilbert Arenas) in january 2004.

    [​IMG] I removed Baron Davis, because he is an injury prone crappy player.[​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting #3 Marbury:</div><div class="quote_post">Banks you are crazy, if you have the leagues best point guard, Crawford, Wally, KT, Sweetney + picks you're gonna be a title contender in the east for sure.

    If a team like NJ made playoffs this year then NY is gonna dominate next year. NJ had no big men and the 3rd best pg, a injured deteriorating VC, and a guy who can only dunk(RJ). NY will be in the ECF no prob.</div>

    Honestly, I've seen a few of your posts already, and I shouldn't even bother wasting my time responding to you.

    First, what makes you think other teams currently in the playoffs (who are much better than the Knicks), won't improve?

    Secondly, Marbury is not the league's best PG, Top 5 is more reasonable. Second, how do you know how the draft picks are gonna pan out? Saying that you have Crawford doesn't mean much to me. You don't know how the players will mesh with eachother.

    Where were you this season??? Deteriorating VC? lol, yeah, I'm sure a Vince Carter who averages 27.5-6-5 is deteoriorating. I mean the fact that he won the player of the month for February and was in contention for the last couple of months was the biggest factor in leading the Nets to the playoffs helps the arguement that VC is deteriorating. He definitely deteriorated in the 04-05 season.

    The Nets top 2 players are better than the Knicks best player. They have a promising big man in Nenad Krstic. They worked hard to get into the playoffs without one of their star players. It's only going to be that much harder for the Knicks next year when they're healthy.

    I'm pretty sure Richard Jefferson doesn't score all of his 22 PPG off dunks...I'm not even going to respond on your Jason Kidd comment and your other Knicks comment, because you're just wasting my time. It's pointless arguing with someone who has no knowledge about what they're discussing.
     

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