Should Utah trade Boozer?

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  1. J_Ray

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    Should Utah trade Boozer? They need some salary cap space and Boozer is the one that starting to get some bad blood because of the trade rumors of him. Then they would have some salary cap so they could go after some Free Agents that they need.
     
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    I think that Boozer moving to Utah was a bad move in the first place and that cleveland might have been in the playoffs if he was there. I think he should move team but where? Maybe L.A. ?
     
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    I think that Boozer should stay in Utah. Boozer played great last year til he got injuried; he actually showed that he could be a go-to guy on the offense last year after AK got hurt. His defense is a little weak, but with Kirilenko out there, AK can pick up the slack that Boozer lets go. The little bit that Boozer and Kirilenko played together they played great; they are the future of the the Jazz. The Jazz need a Point Guard that can run the offense and play defense against opposing PG's. And if we give up Boozer in a trade we will be out of luck at two positions, not just one.
     
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    I think it comes down to What can you get for him?

    The problem with Boozer is his wife. She wears the pants so to speak, and a lot of the manipulating in Cleveland was a result of her. She has also been fingered as the person pushing for Boozer to become a Laker, because she would prefer living in LA as opposed to Utah.

    Last year, I thought Boozer had a productive season despite what his critics say. Was he worth the contract he signed? It's debateable but, Boozer put up 17.8PPG, 9.0RPG, and shot 52.1%, which was good enough to lead the team in each of those respective categories. He's being paid Kenyon Martin type money, but putting up better overall numbers. He will never be the shotblocker Martin is, but Boozer is a superior scorer in the paint. The Jazz are probably counting on Boozer to increase his production closer to 20/10, and he should be able to, once he improves on getting to the line more and cashing in on his free throws. Right now he's only getting to the line 5 times a game, and making only 70% of his attempts. If he can bump up his attempts to 7 or 8 per game and shoot 75% plus he'll be a more effective scorer.

    I think the Jazz need to see Kris Humphries play more before they pull the trigger on Boozer. They also have 4 picks in this year's draft, which is very deep at both the PG and PF positions. Depending on who, they draft and who they get in free agency the Jazz can afford to sit on a decision to deal Boozer, whether his wife likes it or not.

    The only rationale reason I've heard for actually considering dealing Boozer is because AK47 is more effective as a PF.
     
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    Well Boozer is listed at 6'9 but he's really 6'8 if he's lucky. He's been good but they can get a player in the draft that can just good. If they can trade him to a team with a lottery pick they can get a good player out of this.
     
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    You won't find many people that hate the man more than me, but you should keep him. He was on fire to start the season, and he is a blue collar worker that will fit well with Utah.

    Of course you should never put yourselves in a situation where you have to trust the Boozer family, that always ends wrong.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting briang8818:</div><div class="quote_post">You won't find many people that hate the man more than me, but you should keep him. He was on fire to start the season, and he is a blue collar worker that will fit well with Utah.

    Of course you should never put yourselves in a situation where you have to trust the Boozer family, that always ends wrong.</div>
    Haha you are not alone in your detest for Boozer. Check out this site www.carlosloozer.com
     
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    The Jazz should try to keep Boozer. He averaged 17.8 PPG, 9.0 RPG and shot at 52% from the court. There's not many Power Forwards who put up those kind of numbers in just their 3rd season in the league. Boozer's best days are ahead of him. If Kirilenko, Boozer and Okur can stay healthy and develop, Utah should have one of the best frontcourt's in the league for many seasons to come.
     
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    Is is true that Boozer has lost favor with Sloan?

    If so, then why? Did he not meet Sloan's expectations?

    Just wanted to hear from anyone who knows what's going on in Utah. I always thought Boozer was solid player, but I didn't know his wife was such an issue.
     
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    I don't much care for the Jazz, but they should at least wait and see how well these guys play together for one healthy season. Now that Sloan's contract has been extended there are really no distractions either.
     
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    Before the injuries last season the Jazz were among the best teams in the league. Utah would have the best frontline in the league next year if AK47 and Boozer are healthy. Draft a Raymond Felton or Gerald Green and you guys are in it.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">I think it comes down to What can you get for him?The problem with Boozer is his wife. She wears the pants so to speak, and a lot of the manipulating in Cleveland was a result of her. She has also been fingered as the person pushing for Boozer to become a Laker, because she would prefer living in LA as opposed to Utah. </div>

    Fingered by who??.....Somebody real credible I'll bet......There's not one of you thats in a position to know anything at all about Boozer's wife and family. Yet you persist in making reprehensible comments about them. Truth is, they're as fine a people as you could care to meet anywhere.

    Yes, Carlos is a solid player! No, Boozer hasn't lost favor with Sloan! He doesn't want to play for the Lakers! He is going to be in Salt Lake for the forseeable future, and according to Miller, for years to come.... Get used to it.

    It's a mystery to me why some of you think it's necessary for you to shroud your posts in duplicity. What happened to just talking about the game?

    I sometimes feel it's too bad there's not a consequence connected with indiscretion. In real life, men have been prosecuted for defamation of character......I guess the license to utter falsehood is brought on by the anonimity one enjoys hiding behind a keyboard.......Lovely!!

    Tank
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting J_Ray:</div><div class="quote_post">Well Boozer is listed at 6'9 but he's really 6'8 if he's lucky. He's been good but they can get a player in the draft that can just good. If they can trade him to a team with a lottery pick they can get a good player out of this.</div>

    There is no player that can be just as good as Boozer in the draft right now.
    Andrew Bougut-He plays as a center, not as athletic as Boozer and not what we need.
    Marvin Williams-Not dependable yet, still needs a lot of learning.
    Chris Paul-Is a point guard, maybe what we'll take if he falls or we get a higher pick.
    There is no player this year like Lebron James or Dwanye Wade, that can be immediately depended on to win games.

    I like Boozer, he plays hard and plays well, that's all that I care about. He's going to help the Jazz and stay.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting KS1:</div><div class="quote_post">There is no player that can be just as good as Boozer in the draft right now.
    Andrew Bougut-He plays as a center, not as athletic as Boozer and not what we need.
    Marvin Williams-Not dependable yet, still needs a lot of learning.
    Chris Paul-Is a point guard, maybe what we'll take if he falls or we get a higher pick.
    There is no player this year like Lebron James or Dwanye Wade, that can be immediately depended on to win games.

    I like Boozer, he plays hard and plays well, that's all that I care about. He's going to help the Jazz and stay.</div>


    Why is everyone big on Chris Paul? He struggled last year against bigger defenders that are going to be in the NBA. Deron Williams is the safest pick. He can defend, score when needed( Seen in Arizona game), is an awesome player, and don't make stupid plays. Felton is good but tries to make plays too much. I think Bogut is good though. He can do everything Boozer can and Boozer ain't that athletic, he just built.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting tankster:</div><div class="quote_post">Fingered by who??.....Somebody real credible I'll bet......There's not one of you thats in a position to know anything at all about Boozer's wife and family. Yet you persist in making reprehensible comments about them. Truth is, they're as fine a people as you could care to meet anywhere.

    Yes, Carlos is a solid player! No, Boozer hasn't lost favor with Sloan! He doesn't want to play for the Lakers! He is going to be in Salt Lake for the forseeable future, and according to Miller, for years to come.... Get used to it.

    It's a mystery to me why some of you think it's necessary for you to shroud your posts in duplicity. What happened to just talking about the game?

    I sometimes feel it's too bad there's not a consequence connected with indiscretion. In real life, men have been prosecuted for defamation of character......I guess the license to utter falsehood is brought on by the anonimity one enjoys hiding behind a keyboard.......Lovely!!

    Tank</div>

    I'm just reporting what I read. You are quick to defend Boozer, yet you also are not in a position to speak about his character either. Carlos Boozer once said this when he was with the Cavs ...

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">CLEVELAND --Carlos Boozer's free agency should be short-lived. He isn't planning to go anywhere.

    Boozer's contract option for next season wasn't picked up by the Cleveland Cavaliers before Wednesday's deadline, a surprising decision by the club, which immediately makes the third-year forward a restricted free agent.

    Boozer, though, isn't interested in playing for any other team than the Cavaliers, who intend to sign him to a long-term deal sometime this summer.

    "I want to be in Cleveland," Boozer said Thursday. "I like it here. My wife and I are very, very happy here, and I want to be with the Cavaliers. Good things are happening. Now it's up to my agent and the Cavs to work things out.

    "I hope they will."

    Agent Rob Pelinka has already begun contract talks with Cavs general manager Jim Paxson.

    "Carlos and his wife, C.C., made it clear to me that they are very comfortable with the Cavaliers' organization, owner Gordon Gund and the direction the team is going," Pelinka said. "I'm confident that Jim and I will continue to have conversations and we'll be able to work something out."</div> Source

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Boozer said he doesn't plan to change teams, even though the Cavaliers took a big risk by making him a free agent..

    "I am an honorable person; we have a great foundation here," Boozer told the Beacon Journal. "I am fine with sharing the spotlight with LeBron. Everything is going in the right direction for me. I think there is a possibility to get something done this summer."

    Boozer feels a loyalty to the Cavaliers, who drafted him in the second round (No. 35 overall) in the 2002 draft. They see him - along with James - as cornerstones of their future.

    "I'm thankful for everything the Cavs have done for me," Boozer said. "A lot of teams didn't think I was worth it and let me slide into the second round. But they were the ones who gave me a chance and let me play as a rookie.

    "That doesn't happen much in this league - unless you're LeBron."</div>

    Source
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm just reporting what I read. You are quick to defend Boozer, yet you also are not in a position to speak about his character either.</div>

    I am in precisely the right position to speak about his character, and I'll defend him if I wish! He grew up in my home town here in Alaska. Carlos sr. and Rene are fine parents and his little brother and sister are family oriented and good kids. He went to the same high school as my sons. I've been priviledged to watch Carlos play ball since he was in grade school.

    You've fallen prey to a common malady my man. You rely on spurious trash from the media to legitimize your opinion. And nobody outside a small circle of people who were in the room, has any idea what really went on in Cleveland.

    And before I'm finished, Mr briang8818..........You'd be well served to lose that word "Hate" from your vocabulary while theres still time. Let it fester, and it'll turn you into a sour old man.

    Tank
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting tankster:</div><div class="quote_post">I am in precisely the right position to speak about his character, and I'll defend him if I wish! He grew up in my home town here in Alaska. Carlos sr. and Rene are fine parents and his little brother and sister are family oriented and good kids. He went to the same high school as my sons. I've been priviledged to watch Carlos play ball since he was in grade school.

    You've fallen prey to a common malady my man. You rely on spurious trash from the media to legitimize your opinion. And nobody outside a small circle of people who were in the room, has any idea what really went on in Cleveland.

    And before I'm finished, Mr briang8818..........You'd be well served to lose that word "Hate" from your vocabulary while theres still time. Let it fester, and it'll turn you into a sour old man.

    Tank</div>

    Fair enough, but I don't think it's farfetched for him to want to please his wife by making tough decisions either. His wife was part of the "small circle" so of course she had some input in the matter, as she should, because it would have a huge impact on her life as well as Carlos.

    Are you telling me she didn't have anything to do with Boozer leaving the Cavs and taking a better deal?

    As for the Los Angeles rumors, those started circulating while Boozer was in LA rehabbing. It also stemmed from the alleged deal between the Jazz and Lakers. It wasn't the first time he was linked to the Laker either. He worked out for them when he declared for the draft, and the Lakers were one of the first teams he visited after the Cavs let him out of his contract. He also shares the same agent with Kobe Bryant.

    There are plenty of reasons to tie Boozer to coming to Los Angeles whether it's a trashy article or not.

    I'm sure both Carlos and his wife enjoyed their visit in Los Angeles, there is plenty to do for a young couple, especially one with multi-millionaire status. I have been to Utah, and it lacks excitement and a multi-cultural experience.

    I think the only person falling prey to these articles is you. Unlike you, I have an open mind about the possibilities of Boozer not having a long career in Utah. You on the other dismiss every idea of the possibility Boozer might be traded and that he prefers living in LA, you even go to the extent to call it trash.

    Did you shoot down these same ideas when he was with the Cavs?
     
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    I'm not trying to tell you any such a damn thing. Those are your words not mine. But I can't attach any special significance to him wanting to assuage his wife. Hell, we all do that. It's the best way to stay out of the doghouse.

    As for the LA rumors.....just rumors.........defined by Websters as "unverified information", therfore not of much value....And to attempt to manufacture a reason out of a rumor, tying Boozer to LA, is a real stretch. I wouldn't bet the ranch on a rumor!

    If Carlos wanted to live in LA, he'd have bought a home there. Many players don't live in the same city they work in. With his resources, he can visit LA or any other city to get that muli cultural experience whenever the spirit moves him. And your impression of Utah........it's yours.

    I would never rule out the possibility of Boozer making a move at all, even to LA. Players move all the time. As you hear them say, "it's a business." As for Cleveland, there's no such thing as an innocent party in a divorce proceeding. I'm sure there's enough blame to go around. But you can rationalize all you want, you're not getting him this season, and I'd hang my hat on it.

    I took acception to what I felt was character assasination on your part, and responded. Juneau is a small town, and the Boozer's are my home town people. It has never been my intention to cause consternation. But you may be better served to take all that media crap and can it. It's garbage!..... there's not a lick of truth to most of it, and I wouldn't put my stack and trade in it.

    I give you the last word. I'm outta here on this. It's become counter productive. Not my intent to make an enemy.............

    Tank
     
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    Sorry if my comments came off as character assasination, but that was not my goal.

    I don't expect the Jazz to trade him to the Lakers either, but I'm not going to rule it out. I'm not going to rule out his wife having influence over his decisions either.

    I don't view you as an "enemy" Tank, but I was just pointing out, based on other articles and rumors, that his wife could be the one with the most influence on Boozer.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't view you as an "enemy" Tank, but I was just pointing out, based on other articles and rumors, that his wife could be the one with the most influence on Boozer.</div>

    Tanks are a weapon of war, a tank from another team is an ENEMY!!! KILL DA TANK! [​IMG]

    I really hate Boozer for what I believe he did. However he is a friggen hard-worker and man he can punish people downlow! I remember seeing that Utah held its own against San Antonio and a couple other elite teams when they were healthy. I don't like Boozer, but I think it would be a huge mistake if you were to trade him. He is a hard-working defender and offensive guy.

    Utah could be a top 5 team next year, they always seem to have the hardest working guys. If Sloan gets back to his normal self, their defense could be the 5th best in the league. (San Antonio, Miami, Houston , Detroit as the top 4)
     

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