<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How about Amare Stoudemire, Gilbert Arenas, Kenyon Martin, Nene, Marcus Camby, Manu Ginobili and Dwyane Wade? Denver Dream Team. Or how about Nikoloz Tskitishvili and Darko Milicic together? Nightmare Nuggets. Both had possibilities. One would be on the way to winning the NBA championship this year; the other would be on the way to the Dumpster for years. How about them apples? As it turns out, Carmelo Anthony was the third-best player in the 2003 draft. I ask you: If the '03 draft were held today, would you pick (1) LeBron James, (2) Darko Milicic, (3) Carmelo Anthony, (4) Chris Bosh or (5) Dwyane Wade? Admit it. You've just pushed the pause button. James is not such a runaway choice anymore. Is Wade any good? He might be the most outstanding player of the NBA postseason. Amare Stoudemire is the other viable candidate. The Nuggets could have drafted either or THE TWO OF THEM. </div> Source
What exactly was the point of this article? This guy should not be writing about the past and what could of been...He should be writing about the present and future and what lies ahead for this franchise. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">As it turns out, Carmelo Anthony was the third-best player in the 2003 draft. </div> That's debatable, as Chris Bosh had a much better season than Carmelo Anthony did.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">That's debatable, as Chris Bosh had a much better season than Carmelo Anthony did.</div> I have to disagree. Why do you say so? Carmelo Anthony: Rookie Season (anonimous All Rookie 1st Team Selection) 21ppg 6.1rpg 2.8apg Sophomore Season 20.8ppg 5.7rpg 2.6apg ------------------------- Chris Bosh: Rookie Season 11.5ppg 7.4rpg 1.0apg Sophomore Season 16.8ppg 8.9rpg 1.9apg ____________________ The numbers say Carmelo has the nod. They are about equally valuable to their team if not, Melo would have the nod again. So how is it debatable?
thats crazy for someone to think of writing about this. these articles are worth nothing. Thats like saying.... what would of happened to the Wizards if they didnt draft Kwame and they got either Gasol, J-Rich, or Tyson Chandler. And then the next year draft instead of Jared Jefferies and Juan Dixon, players like Tayshaun Prince or Carlos Boozer. Then in 2003, they take Collison, Ridnour, Josh Howard, or Kyle Korver instead of Jarvis Hayes. Arenas-Hughes/J-Rich-Jamison-Gasol/Boozer-Chandler/Haywood <--- Something like that No One Wants to Read them articles. It is all Bullshit.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I have to disagree. Why do you say so? Carmelo Anthony: Rookie Season (anonimous All Rookie 1st Team Selection) 21ppg 6.1rpg 2.8apg Sophomore Season 20.8ppg 5.7rpg 2.6apg ------------------------- Chris Bosh: Rookie Season 11.5ppg 7.4rpg 1.0apg Sophomore Season 16.8ppg 8.9rpg 1.9apg ____________________ The numbers say Carmelo has the nod. They are about equally valuable to their team if not, Melo would have the nod again. So how is it debatable?</div> What do the first year numbers have to do with anything? They are what they are currently, not a year ago. Bosh averaged 17 and 9 throughout the season, on less than 15 limited shot attempts a game. He Dominated the best defensive big men in the league and he was a double double waiting to after the new years.
It is very easy to say this two and three years after the draft took place. Sure if I had the pick again I would take Wade but Carmelo is a fine player and should be for the next up and coming years. Both players Wade and Carmelo have great futures ahead of them. Everybody was crazy about Carmelo coming out, a freshman star leading his team to the final four and winning the national title, I have to say to this date Carmelo is one of my favorite college players. The bottom line is that you can't change the draft three years later and that is the beauty of it, you don't know if your right for another three years.
Yeah this is one BS article... it's a what coulda shoulda, why not draft amare and nene and carmelo the next year and trade for the dallas pick: josh howard. I really think Carmelo is fine ahead of Dwyane... we didn't need a pg we had andre miller, we had voshon at sg... I saw Melo's progress in the last 2 playoffs games and I'm ecstatic. This kid got it right in his head, he wants to learn to become better. He finally realizes maybe he's not a LeBron or Wade-caliber type of player and he has started to play more like himself.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">What do the first year numbers have to do with anything? They are what they are currently, not a year ago. Bosh averaged 17 and 9 throughout the season, on less than 15 limited shot attempts a game. He Dominated the best defensive big men in the league and he was a double double waiting to after the new years.</div> Thank you. I have season tickets to the raptors and i garantee you that bosh is a all star next year and future mvp (hes going to be a kg type player). Bosh is tied for 2nd best player from the draft, as James is better then and him and wade are going to be about the same. As soon as the raps add some more skill players and a center in the draft, watch out. By the way, carmelo was the fifth best in the draft behind james, bosh, wade and howard.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">What do the first year numbers have to do with anything? They are what they are currently, not a year ago. Bosh averaged 17 and 9 throughout the season, on less than 15 limited shot attempts a game. He Dominated the best defensive big men in the league and he was a double double waiting to after the new years.</div> I don?t think we should use second year stats only in determining how good a player is. Why not the first year too? Carmelo Anthony dominates the best defensive players too and unlike Bosh, he came out as the defenses main concern throughout his entire career. Anthony averaged 20+ points throughout his entire career which is hard to do especially for someone who his only 20 and 21 in his first two seasons. That should be taken into consideration.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I don?t think we should use second year stats only in determining how good a player is. Why not the first year too? Carmelo Anthony dominates the best defensive players too and unlike Bosh, he came out as the defenses main concern throughout his entire career. Anthony averaged 20+ points throughout his entire career which is hard to do especially for someone who his only 20 and 21 in his first two seasons. That should be taken into consideration.</div> So what if he he was the defenses main concern throughout his career? He was this year, and so was Bosh. Based on the first year, Melo is definitely the better player than Bosh. Based on the 2nd year, Bosh is the better player than Carmelo. It makes sense to use the 2nd year of their careers to compare eachother because they are suppose to be more developed in their sophmore season than their rookie season. If you're going to judge using both seasons, many will choose Carmelo over Bosh. Bosh played injured throughout last season while being the #3 option on the team and playing the Center posistion, when he clearly is not one. Carmelo this year, had a whole lot of non-basketball issues, however, within basketball issues, he basically only had the ankle injury and a couple of other minor ones. Anthony also did not dominate the best defensive players this year. Last year he tore many of them up, this year is a different story. He was keyed on after his breakout rookie season. He had some very weak performances against some of the leagues strongest defensive players/teams. That's the exact opposite to Bosh. He thrived against the strong defensive players/teams even though he was focused on as the main option. Their were games were he was shut down because the Raptor guards with their low basketball IQ could not get the Bosh the ball. He did have his fair share of down games, but he was very consistant after the trade and dominated often.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">So what if he he was the defenses main concern throughout his career? He was this year, and so was Bosh.</div> I think it shows how good a player is if he can put up 21 points a game as a 19 year old rookie. That deserves props especially considering he was the defenses main concern. I don?t even know if Bosh was the D?s main problem. The leading scorer of the Raptors, Jalen Rose had a great year and him being the veteran known for his offensive abilities, I?m pretty sure the defense was more concerned on him with Bosh behind him. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Based on the first year, Melo is definitely the better player than Bosh. Based on the 2nd year, Bosh is the better player than Carmelo. It makes sense to use the 2nd year of their careers to compare eachother because they are suppose to be more developed in their sophmore season than their rookie season. If you're going to judge using both seasons, many will choose Carmelo over Bosh. Bosh played injured throughout last season while being the #3 option on the team and playing the Center posistion, when he clearly is not one. Carmelo this year, had a whole lot of non-basketball issues, however, within basketball issues, he basically only had the ankle injury and a couple of other minor ones.</div> Well sophomore slumps are very common and Melo happened to have one of them this season due to the issues that you mentioned. Even if Bosh played power forward and was the go-to guy, I seriously doubt that he would average 21 points in his rookie year. I think Melo is the bigger talent, has been better overall, and will be better overall in his career. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Anthony also did not dominate the best defensive players this year. Last year he tore many of them up, this year is a different story. He was keyed on after his breakout rookie season. He had some very weak performances against some of the leagues strongest defensive players/teams. That's the exact opposite to Bosh. He thrived against the strong defensive players/teams even though he was focused on as the main option. Their were games were he was shut down because the Raptor guards with their low basketball IQ could not get the Bosh the ball. He did have his fair share of down games, but he was very consistant after the trade and dominated often.</div> As you mentioned, Melo had his issues this season, but he still managed to average 20.8 points and 5.8 rebounds despite having Kenyon Martin and Marcus Camby snatching all of the rebounds. Anthony did struggle against some of the NBA?s elite defenders, but Bosh didn?t thrive on many of them either. Here are the top defensive teams (20-30 in points allowed) and what Bosh did against them: 1. San Antonio: 18/9/37.9% 2. Detroit: 14/7/38.5% 3. Houston: 18/5.5/62% 4. Memphis: 12/7.5/38.5% 5. Indiana: 18/10/39.5% 6. New Jersey: 13/6.5/42% 7. Chicago: 18/8.3/48.5% 8. Miami: 17.5/10/43.1% 9. Minnesota: 21.5/12.5/50% 10. New Orleans: 28.5/12.5/54% 11. Cleveland: 10/6.5/29.4% Total: 17.1ppg/8.6rpg/43.9% Those aren?t dominant numbers, they?re just decent and his field goal percentage is a bit lacking. The only other top defensive big men that aren?t in the top 20 defensive teams that I can think of are: Portland: 10.5/6.5/33% Denver: 10.5/7/61.5% Other than that, nothing. It?s possible I left out some teams so feel free to mention them. I just want to know where Bosh thrived. Carmelo Anthony did have his struggling moments this season, but overall, I think he is better than Bosh and will be.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I think it shows how good a player is if he can put up 21 points a game as a 19 year old rookie. That deserves props especially considering he was the defenses main concern. I don?t even know if Bosh was the D?s main problem. The leading scorer of the Raptors, Jalen Rose had a great year and him being the veteran known for his offensive abilities, I?m pretty sure the defense was more concerned on him with Bosh behind him.</div> Not even...If that was the case, Bosh wouldn't have averaged less than 13 shots a game, even if he has some jackers as PG's. Bosh had a lot of attention shown towards him by many defensive teams. They often got to him before the ball, preventing him to get the ball. He attracted double and triple teams with and without the ball. Jalen was the leading scorer mostly because of the fact that Bosh was the main focus on the opposing teams offense, and he was not given the ball enough when he had the chance to create something or score. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Well sophomore slumps are very common and Melo happened to have one of them this season due to the issues that you mentioned. Even if Bosh played power forward and was the go-to guy, I seriously doubt that he would average 21 points in his rookie year. I think Melo is the bigger talent, has been better overall, and will be better overall in his career. </div> The reason he put up All-Star numbers and played like on after the VC trade, was because he put in great work ethic into his game. His game developed. It all comes with his development. He was on the most improved players this season, but he wasn't really considered as one because you expect this kind of stuff from a soph. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">As you mentioned, Melo had his issues this season, but he still managed to average 20.8 points and 5.8 rebounds despite having Kenyon Martin and Marcus Camby snatching all of the rebounds. Anthony did struggle against some of the NBA?s elite defenders, but Bosh didn?t thrive on many of them either. Here are the top defensive teams (20-30 in points allowed) and what Bosh did against them: 1. San Antonio: 18/9/37.9% 2. Detroit: 14/7/38.5% 3. Houston: 18/5.5/62% 4. Memphis: 12/7.5/38.5% 5. Indiana: 18/10/39.5% 6. New Jersey: 13/6.5/42% 7. Chicago: 18/8.3/48.5% 8. Miami: 17.5/10/43.1% 9. Minnesota: 21.5/12.5/50% 10. New Orleans: 28.5/12.5/54% 11. Cleveland: 10/6.5/29.4% Total: 17.1ppg/8.6rpg/43.9% Those aren?t dominant numbers, they?re just decent and his field goal percentage is a bit lacking. The only other top defensive big men that aren?t in the top 20 defensive teams that I can think of are: Portland: 10.5/6.5/33% Denver: 10.5/7/61.5% Other than that, nothing. It?s possible I left out some teams so feel free to mention them. I just want to know where Bosh thrived. Carmelo Anthony did have his struggling moments this season, but overall, I think he is better than Bosh and will be.</div> Concerning Anthony, a forward that starts and plays that many minutes, 5.8 RPG for a forward (SF) is not really great. It's average or below average infact. You might have Camby grabbing a lot of the rebounds, but that's a Centers job. Martin didn't really do a great job on the boards this year. Performances against top Defensive teams/players. Against KG/Wolves: 19 Points, 11 Boards, and a win despite getting only 15 shots. 24 Points, 14 Boards, and a win, in a game where he schooled the player who he builds his game around Against the Cavs: 1-7, 11 Points, took only 7 shots Last Game: Was the last game of the season, and he only attempted 9 shots 2-8, 6 and 4 in only 23 Minutes Against the Pistons: 18 Points, 9 Boards and only 12 shot attempts 18 Points, 8 Boards in only 17 shot attempts (before the VC trade) 6 Points, 4 Boards with only 10 shot attempts Against the Spurs 20 Points, 10 Boards, in 16 shot attempts 16 Points, 8 Boards, in 35 minutes with only 13 shot attempts I'm not going to go through every single game against all these teams, but as you might see, against some of these top teams, he had some very good games, while also putting up below average numbers despite being the number one option and getting often below 15 shot attempts a game. Bosh thrived in all the games where he got the ball often. Some of these games were against the Spurs and Wolves, Clippers (Brand), Pacers, Suns (game was more of a half court game for the Raps where he was faced up against Marion), Heat and the Bulls just to name some. In most of the games (post-Carter) were he did not perform well were because he did not get enough shot attempts and not enough plays were executed properly, and that Statistics aren't going to show you everything. My intention isn't to make you or whoever feel that Bosh is better than Anthony. I'm letting it be known that Bosh had a better sophmore season, and that Anthony is just not the 3rd best sophmore of that draft class because Wade and LeBron are ahead of him. Bosh has amazing talent, and a great combination of size and quickness. These led him to surpass Anthony as the better player than Anthony this season, and he's only improving. As is Anthony, but as of now, Bosh is ahead of him. No statisics or stories given to me could changed my opinion and view.
