Politics #47traitors

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  1. donkiez

    donkiez Well-Known Member

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    http://www.dailydot.com/politics/white-house-petition-treason-iran-tom-cotton/?fb=dd

    and the petition currently at 193,148

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...tempting-undermine-nuclear-agreement/NKQnpJS9
     
  2. GriLtCheeZ

    GriLtCheeZ "Well, I'm not lookin' for trouble."

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    I can't see this going anywhere, but at least it is funny.
     
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    Clear and deliberate violation of The Logan Act, and all 47 should serve the full 3 years in federal prison.
     
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    Call me a selfish old bastard - but I really prefer when our elected officials put our country first. I would challenge even 1 of those 47 lackwits to explain how war with Iran serves American interests.
     
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    What a bunch of morons.

    We need more government. Clearly.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    The 47 losers wrote condescendingly to Iran that they were "educating" Iran about how they're more powerful than Obama. So the Iranian Foreign Minister returned the tweet to the leader of the 47 (Tom Cotton, who has been been a senator for less than 2 months), educating him that if they pull the stunt abrogating a treaty, they will break international law, and thus undermine U.S. credibility in all past and future treaties. No country will ever make a treaty, including trade deals, with the U.S. again.

    The Iranian Foreign Minister has more IQ than all 47 Republican senators combined. Read his answer!

    http://en.mfa.ir/index.aspx?siteid=3&fkeyid=&siteid=3&fkeyid=&siteid=3&pageid=1997&newsview=330948
     
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    Treaties have to be approved by the senate.

    So much for that logic.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_Clause

    Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution, includes the Treaty Clause, which empowers the President of the United States to propose and chiefly negotiate agreements, which must be confirmed by the Senate, between the United States and other countries, which become treaties between the United States and other countries after the advice and consent of a supermajority of the United States Senate.

    Full text of the clause[edit]
    [The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur...
     
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    The Iranian Foreign Minister makes 2 points that the U.S. media is covering up.

    1) An "executive agreement" is an agreement between heads of state (and under U.S. law does not need ratification by the Senate). Most so-called treaties by the U.S. have actually been executive agreements. If this one gets reversed by a future president or congress, that will destroy U.S. credibility on most of its treaties, since most past ones were, and future ones will be, executive agreements.

    2) This executive agreement is multilateral, not bilateral. The treaty will be between Iran and the "P5+1." That is dipomatese for the 5 members of the UN Security Council plus Germany. If Republican yokels try to pull the U.S. out of the treaty, the other 5 countries will put extreme pressure on the U.S. not to do so, because if so, THEIR credibility in making future treaties will ALSO be destroyed, not just the credibility of the U.S. And with 3 of the 5 countries being in the EU and NATO, all EU and NATO members, too, will have to give more than they get in all future treaties. So they, too, will engage in trade war with the U.S. to stop the Republican yokels who think they know more than world diplomats about international law.

    If you want foreign trade, you must have international law. Dumbshit Southern lawyers who elect themselves to the Senate will find they can't bully everyone like they did as prosecutors.
     
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    Seems to me if the president is making treaties without approval of the senate, it is he that is violating the constitution and thus the traitor.

    You can't have it both ways.

    My opinion is Obama should go negotiate what he wants and have the senate approve it. That's the right course. I have no beef with Obama working within the confines of existing laws granting him whatever authorities.
     
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    Stupid lawsuit and stupid 47. Nothing will come of the suit, but it is kind of funny.
     
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    If they wrote this letter and published it in the NY Times, it would not at all be unprecedented. If they sent it to the Iranians, then I'm not so sure.
     
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    The fact that nobody has ever been convicted of this crime I believe would be viewed as precedent so for any conviction to occurs the bar would be very high. A letter won't reach that bar, it would have to me much more in-depth correspondence with threats or stuff like that.

    At least this is my best guess.
     
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    Also, it was done publicly and with the weight of Article II behind them.

    I think they look like morons in any case.
     
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    I actually think they look bad, very bad, but I just don't see it as illegal. But they tried to obviscate peace talks with Iran and inserted themselves in our attempt to de-nuke them. It makes them look not only petty, but dangerous and war-happy. But, it plays to their base to go head on at Obama, so I doubt it will have much effect either way.
     
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    Traitors no, morons yes. Its fun watching them twist in the wind though because they deserve it. What an incredible opportunity to clean house and start from scratch though. :)
     
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