$75,000 = Happiness?

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  1. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2019628,00.html

    People say money doesn't buy happiness. Except, according to a new study from Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School, it sort of does — up to about $75,000 a year. The lower a person's annual income falls below that benchmark, the unhappier he or she feels. But no matter how much more than $75,000 people make, they don't report any greater degree of happiness.

    Before employers rush to hold — or raise — everyone's salary to $75,000, the study points out that there are actually two types of happiness. There's your changeable, day-to-day mood: whether you're stressed or blue or feeling emotionally sound. Then there's the deeper satisfaction you feel about the way your life is going — the kind of thing Tony Robbins tries to teach you. While having an income above the magic $75,000 cutoff doesn't seem to have an impact on the former (emotional well-being), it definitely improves people's Robbins-like life satisfaction. In other words, the more people make above $75,000, the more they feel their life is working out on the whole. But it doesn't make them any more jovial in the mornings.

    The study, by economist Angus Deaton and psychologist Daniel Kahneman, who has won a Nobel Prize for Economics, analyzed the responses of 450,000 Americans polled by Gallup and Healthways in 2008 and 2009. Participants were asked how they had felt the previous day and whether they were living the best possible life for them. They were also asked about their income.

    The authors found that most Americans — 85% — regardless of their annual income, felt happy each day. Almost 40% of respondents also reported feeling stressed (which is not mutually exclusive with happiness) and 24% had feelings of sadness. Most people were also satisfied with the way their life was going.
    (See TIME's special issue on the science of happiness.)

    So, where does the $75,000 come into play? Researchers found that lower income did not cause sadness itself but made people feel more ground down by the problems they already had. The study found, for example, that among divorced people, about 51% who made less than $1,000 a month reported feeling sad or stressed the previous day, while only 24% of those earning more than $3,000 a month reported similar feelings. Among people with asthma, 41% of low earners reported feeling unhappy, compared with about 22% of the wealthier group. Having money clearly takes the sting out of adversities.

    At $75,000, that effect disappears. For people who earn that much or more, individual temperament and life circumstances have much more sway over their lightness of heart than money. The study doesn't say why $75,000 is the benchmark, but "it does seem to me a plausible number at which people would think money is not an issue," says Deaton. At that level, people probably have enough expendable cash to do things that make them feel good, like going out with friends. (The federal poverty level for a family of four, by the way, is $22,050.)

    But in the bigger view of their lives, people's evaluations were much more tied to their income. The more they made, the more they felt their life was going well. The survey asked respondents to place themselves on a life-satisfaction ladder, with the first rung meaning their lives were not going well and the 10th rung meaning it was as good as it could be. The higher their income, the higher the rung people chose. "Importantly, the same percentage increase in income has the same effect on evaluation for everyone, rich or poor alike, even though the absolute dollar amounts differ," the authors write. So every 10% rise in annual income moves people up the satisfaction ladder the same amount, whether they're making $25,000 or $100,000. "High incomes don't bring you happiness, but they do bring you a life you think is better," conclude the authors. Might it be time for Oprah to give these guys their own show?

    Past research on money and happiness has also found that it's not absolute wealth that's linked with happiness, but relative wealth or status — that is, how much more money you have than your neighbors.

    It's no surprise, then, that when the same polls are done in different countries, Americans come out as a bit of a mixed lot: they're fifth in terms of happiness, 33rd in terms of smiling and 10th in terms of enjoyment. At the same time, they're the 89th biggest worriers, the 69th saddest and fifth most stressed people out of the 151 nations studied. Even so, perhaps because of the country's general wealth, they are in the top 10 citizenries where people feel their lives are going well, beaten out by such eternal optimists as the Canadians, New Zealanders and Scandinavians.

    Right. Now that Princeton researchers have untangled that life mystery, maybe someone at MIT can look into the optimal amount of money required to buy us love.
     
  2. HailBlazers

    HailBlazers RipCity

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    That funny, it's exactly what I made last year. It was a very happy year, however I'm not so sure it would of been had my wife not pulled in 30K as well. :) The dollar is weak as heck these days.
     
  3. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    So....
    Money doesn't buy happiness, but it makes a lot of your problems go away.
     
  4. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    This is probably the point in most cities where you can comfortably pay all your bills without too much stress.

    Decent living situation.
    New car every few year.
    blah blah blah.
     
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    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    I have never been rich, but I have been

    comfortable with a lot of bills
    Comfortable with no bills
    struggling with a lot of bills
    struggling with no bills

    From my life's experience, having no bills is the key. I was EXTREMELY happy when my wife and I were starting and had nothing, with a low annual income.

    Travel, cars, houses, are not real happiness. It's cool at the time but it's very short lived, IMO
     
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    Same here. To me, less debt = happiness.
     
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    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    Anybody tell you money is the root of all evil, doesn't fuckin' have any. They say money can't buy happiness, look at the fuckin' smile on my face . . . ear to ear baby!


    [video=youtube;JfIKzReNDF4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfIKzReNDF4#t=131[/video]
     
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    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    Doesn't everyone go to prison in that movie?
     
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    I've seen that. It's just really hard to be happy when you have to forego eating. Or eat crackers and catsup. Can't pay rent or basic bills. Can't get your teeth fixed. When shoes wearing out is a major crisis. Have to take 3 buses because you can't afford a car.

    But get past basic security - basic needs, a little something for extra, something put aside for emergency - how much more difference does it make? Is a person making $5 million really happier than a person making $4 million? The Koch brothers could not spend their money if they lived to be 1000, yet will spend hundreds of millions to avoid paying another dime in taxes. Yet the wealth in this country keeps skewing not to the top 1%, more like the top 0.1%.

    I sometimes think it would be fun to live on a super rich scale, I'm talking a Paul Allen scale, for maybe a week. Then I'd get bored. And feel guilty as hell.
     
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    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    I frequently deal with the top 0.1% and you'd be happy to know they are, for the most part, miserable as fuck.
     
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    Aw, bull shit!
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    75 grand will buy you 75,000 x $1 hookers.

    How can you not be happy?
     
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    You go around with $1 hookers?
     
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    He is just up the road from tj
     
  15. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    ACTUALLY AT ADELITAS, THE GOING RATE IS $60 +$11 FOR THE ROOM RENTAL, ACCORDING TO...YOU.
     
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    This.

    Aside from our mortgage (which is a lot but, unless there is some monumental financial crisis, we could sell today with a $200-250K gain just simply in the 15 months we've owned the house), we have no debt. We both also make at, or above, the "happiness" line. Being where we are allows us to make some of the leaps, or investments, we've made. And, after struggling through a few tight years (bad economy, arrival of children so only one of us worked, etc.), we've learned to be fiscally responsible, and now that we're both working and making solid pay, all is settled and we feel pretty good.

    That being said, my parents make about the same as one another, each make about $5-10K less, and they're happy (married nearly 4 decades), and lived frugally and reasonably all this time and are retiring with good benefits and little debt in a nice little community.

    It ain't how much you make but how much you spend.
     
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    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    You're only as happy as how many hookers and blow you can afford.
     
  18. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

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    All sociopaths lack the happiness gene.
     
  19. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    They are rarely content. Type-A types who expect the world, but then when they get what they want, its still not enough. Can't take pleasures in the simple things in life, everything is about status and upsmanship.
     
  20. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    So that should be the maximum income allowed. Everyone on this board who makes above 75 thou, should have that surplus distributed to those on the board making below that. No one ever complains about the lack of equality on this board.
     

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