Exclusive Blazers Salary CAP Info

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2 cuts are needed. Who will not be on the opening day roster (assuming Omari Johnson will be cut.)?

Poll closed Oct 30, 2015.
  1. Mike Miller

    94.1%
  2. Chris Kaman

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    0.0%
  3. Phil Pressey

    41.2%
  4. Tim Frazier

    47.1%
  5. Luis Montero

    17.6%
  6. Cliff Alexander

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  1. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    So wouldn't keeping Kaman, if the option to land Hibbert would only take his $5 mil salary and 10 mil space save us $1M if we just let him go?
     
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    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    If I understand what you're saying, that's exactly right. Cutting Kaman in the next 36 hours gives Portland $4M more cap space than they would have going into FA. But they could spend it on anyone. Trading Kaman for Hibbert in FA allows us to "keep" an extra $1M in space, but IND has to want to get Kaman back and they can't release him for the savings (since it's after June 30). We can't trade Hibbert for Kaman right now (which would be best) because they can't pull together enough salary to use an exception before June 30. Releasing Kaman in the next 36 hours is probably the best way to go.
     
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    I think that would depend on what Indiana is looking to do. I was also wondering if they could use Pat Connaughton to sweeten the deal? Can that pick be traded with another player July 9th? The Hibbert Trade can happen before the Free agents become available because we would immediately get our cap space after renouncing whatever players necessary.
     
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    no, we can't do anything until the moratorium is lifted, which is July 9. No trades, no FA (official) signings. Actually, that's not true....we can sign minimum-salary players for 1- or 2-year contracts (not sure why we would, but we could). We don't get "cap space" until after the audit which ends July 8, when the salary cap number comes out and we're allowed to renounce, release, sign, etc.

    As far as Pat is concerned, yes, his rights can be added to any trade up until he signs a contract, then he can't be traded for 30 days.
     
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    My only concern is if the salary cap is so sacred and we are trying to stay below it how come 19 of the 30 teams exceed the cap. Some by as much as 20M. Do the bird rights have an affect here?
     
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    So basically, July 8th you can do the Kaman, Pat and cap for Hibbert before Free Agents can sign right?
     
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    No. Nothing involving trades can happen until July 9, when everything can happen.
     
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    You go over the cap by signing your own players to bigger contracts and you can trade $1 worth of salary out for every $1.25 of salary in.
     
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    It's not sacred, but it gives you a lot of flexibility. Let's say you want to trade for Gerald Henderson, but you're over the cap. You need an exception to be able to trade for him. One of those exceptions is something that allows you to send a player of roughly the same salary as Henderson (numbers vary, but it's not important here). But maybe I don't WANT one of your players back, or maybe you don't want to send the amount of player salary it would take to bring Henderson to you.

    If you had cap space, you could trade things like future draft picks, rights to foreigners, whatever and the other team would not have to take back salary (which many don't like). And that's just in a trade scenario. You can also sign free agents without having to do sign-and-trades. Last year when POR would have given Greg Monroe a max contract they didn't have cap space, so they had to try to get DET to sign and trade him to us. DET politely declined. This year we (can) have cap space, so we don't need DET's permission for anything. SAS probably needs our help to sign LMA, but the L*kers have cap space so they don't need our permission or help. They can just offer contracts that use their cap space.
     
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    Let me see if I understand this correctly, if we signed LMA to a 20M per year (increase of 5M per year) and we signed Mathews to a 10M per year (increase of 3M per year) then we could go over the CAP by 8M and we would still have the CAP to sign other players while going over the CAP by 8M. Second question would be do we have to pay a luxury tax for the amount we are over the CAP?
     
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    apparently roy hibbert has a 2.3$million trade kicker. would the acquiring team have to apply this to their capspace?
     
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    You can only go over the cap to sign your own players. The exceptions to the rule are "exceptions" of which the biggest one is the $5.5M MLE. There is also an exception you can use every other year. You cannot combine exceptions to sign a player.
     
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    I've updated the main post to include the Blazers picking up Kaman's option.
     
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    Sounds like cap will be closer to $69 million.

     
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    So with Aminu agreeing to terms we should have potentially $35 million in room
     
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    So how would that get us Monroe and Aldridge?
     
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    I estimate we are extremely dang close to make those salaries barely fit. Maybe the cap ultimately goes up enough we just barely have enough room. Or we have to cut Frazier. Or cut Frazier and Crabbe. Or cut with the stretch provision or trade away Hendo or Kaman. Or Detroit agrees to sign and trade Monroe with one of Wes, Afflalo, Rolo. It could for sure be done one way or another.
     
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    With Davis signing for 3/20M, and Aminu at 4/30, (and Kaman not being waived), I have us at about 40.2M for 11 players under contract. If LMA comes back we have roughly 8M in space. If not, 27M.
     
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    It sounds as though we likely end up with more cap space than we need this offseason. We might want to structure the contracts so they have the most money in year 1 and decline each season. Saves us salary cap room in future seasons. I think the maximum declines are the same as raises at 4.5%. So Aminu deal could start at $8.0 and end at $7.0 and Davis at $7.0 ending at $6.5

    Its not a huge change; just a small detail that potentially saves us $1.5 million in space a couple seasons from now while also increasing the players trade value a tiny bit.

    But if we sign another player and do the same it could be more significant.
     
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