DeAndre Jordan Might Be A Blazer Superthread

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Should Olshey Trade For DeAndre Jordan?

Poll closed Feb 8, 2018.
  1. Sure! He's a former All-NBA!

    15.9%
  2. What? No. He's declining and expensive.

    58.7%
  3. Sure, as long as Olshey is someone else's GM by then

    6.3%
  4. I miss Whitsitt

    15.9%
  5. Other (Please Explain)

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  1. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    Just asking...why does Nurk have to go? I mean, it's not like either of them is going to be a 36mpg monster. There are minutes enough for both. Having a defensive presence for 48mpg seems like a good thing. How much? Well, how much do you value what the Clippers need?

    From their end: They have DJ, Blake, Gallo and some short-term contracts (including Beverley, Rivers, etc). They can give us either a 2022, '23, or '24 pick OR '22 and '24. They are in a similar cap situation as us.

    Is this a chance to get something...anything...before DJ opts out? Is it a hedge against him not opting out, as BNM described that it's a lot of money to leave on the table.

    Would Meyers+Turner and a 1st do it? :)
     
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  2. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    With so many really bad to marginally bad contracts, there are a lot of packages that make sense for POR. The question is, do any of them also make sense for LAC.

    In the end, I think they will receive better offers elsewhere.

    Someone mentioned C.J., earlier in the thread. If C.J. had been offered for DeAndre Jordan, we wouldn't be discussing a tweet from Marc Stein about a rumor. We'd be discussing a tweet from Woj about a trade.

    BNM
     
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  3. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    We have a really imbalanced roster as is. Nearly all our talent is consolidated at guard and inside spots. We have guys like Vonleh/Leonard/Caleb all getting DNPs nightly not because they don't deserve minutes, but because there are no more minutes left to give them.

    If we're gonna make moves to actually build this roster to win (rather than simply gain assets to make subsequent moves), we would be better served actually getting some wing talent.
     
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    BigGameDamian Well-Known Member

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    Olshey has always had a hard on for DeAndre Jordan.
     
  5. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Neil probably asked for a pick too
     
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  6. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Sure, why not? You never know. It worked last year when we offered them Plumlee for Nurkic.

    BNM
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Meyers and Turner is probably what Neil offered and the Clippers balked
     
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    he got 3/41, he sucks... and people think Nurk gonna get like 4/15 or less
    add one more year to the Plumlee contract and it woud be 4/56, so 4 mil less than Nurk

    and Nurk is much better than Plumlee
     
  9. BrianFromWA

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    they can't give us one until 2022.
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    Neither is a high flying center? For a guy with DJ's height and standing reach, a 30 inch vertical is pretty athletic.

    Butters jumps outta the gym with a 32 inch vert.
     
  11. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    You kind of made my point for me.

    Plumlee is >> Mosgov

    Mosgov = 4 years $64 million

    If you extend Plumlee out to 4 years, you get 4/3*41 = $54.7 million

    No way is Mosgov $9.3 million better than Plumlee. Plumlee is both better and cheaper than Mosgov.

    And that was my original point, the market value for centers has declined since the summer of 2016. Based on the current market, DeAndre Jordan would be foolish to leave $24 million on the table and opt out of the final year of his current contract. The only was he does so, would be to re-sign with the team who holds his Bird rights for a deal starting at $24 million, but declining each year after that.

    Declining contracts are fairly new, but they make sense for both parties. The player gets his huge payday while still in his prime, but the team sees his salary decline in parallel with his production. So, they aren't paying an over-the-hill 35 year old $30 million a year.

    BNM
     
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    Olshey is probably just kicking the tires. If you could get Jordan for peanuts (which I don't think you can, but yaneverknow), it would be an insurance policy against Nurkic demanding (and maybe getting, from another team) an offer way out of step with his value and letting him depart (assuming Jordan was willing to stay).

    Not that Olshey lets free agents depart, even if he has to massively overpay to keep them, so.
     
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    it doesnt make sense, good god...
     
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    They can give us 2018 pick if we give them a 2019 pick, I think.
     
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    I doubt there's anything to this. However, you certainly have to see what is out there. You never know when you can get a steal.
     
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    The only thing I see this rumor indicating is that we will indeed be very active come trade deadline. Feels like Neil knows if he doesn’t make something happen he may not be here by the draft.
     
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    Trade sloppy Nurkic!
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    We probably didn't make a substantial offer with good assets included or else Clippers would have been interested. Olshey might have tried to dump our bad contracts on them while attaching a 2018 or 2019 pick, or one of our younger players, and thought half a year of DeAndre might be worth it.

    If we gave them Turner, Vonleh and a lottery protected 2019 pick I wouldn't be angry about it at all. It would have allowed Clippers to tank this season as long as they played Turner a lot and DeAndre would be good here. He's a very good defensive center.

    We definitely did not offer them CJ, not a chance.
     

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