Where our current players stand in various categories on the all-time Blazer list. Just for reference purposes, there are 322 players on the all-time Blazer list. Points: 4. Lillard - 10,564, trails Terry Porter @ 11,330 20. McCollum - 5,626, trails Sabonis @ 5,629 60. Aminu - 1,900, trails Przybilla @ 1,968 64. Leonard - 1,803, trails Gary Trent @ 1,871 68. Harkless - 1,615, trails Dale Schluter @ 1,629 85. Nurkic - 1,249, trails Steve Colter @ 1,262 90. Turner - 1,129, trails Leroy Ellis @ 1,179 91. Davis - 1,116, trails Evan Turner @ 1,129 108. Napier - 788, trails Channing Frye @ 793 140. Connaughton - 535, trails Victor Khryapa @ 538 178. Collins - 236, trails Clemon Johnson @ 240 207. Layman - 108, trails Willie Norwood @ 110 250. Swanigan - 43, trails Jared Jeffires @ 44 315. Baldwin - 1, trails Jaron Collins & Carl Bailey @ 2 Rebounds: 24. Lillard - 1,872, trails Chris Dudley @ 2,183 35. Aminu - 1,374, trails Jim Paxon @ 1,415 (tied with Brandon Roy) 37. Davis - 1,371, trails Aminu & Roy @ 1,374 44. Leonard - 1,222, trails Ruben Patterson @ 1,257 54. McCollum - 958, trails J.J. Hickson @ 986 65. Nurkic - 783, trails T.R. Dunn @ 815 66. Harkless - 772, trails Nurkic @ 783 98. Turner - 463, trails Kevin Kunnert @ 465 141. Connaughton - 215, trails Mario Elie @ 216 144. Napier - 202, trails Jeff Lamp @ 203 152. Collins - 186, trails Mike Holton @ 187 223. Layman & Swanigan - 38, trail Jim McMillian @ 39 309. Baldwin - 1, trails several with 2 Lillard Standings: Points: 4th @ 10,564 - (Drexler @ 18,040, Aldridge @ 12,562, Porter @ 11,330) Games: 16th @ 459, trails Sabonis @ 470 (Drexler @ 867) Minutes: 12th @ 16,695, trails Petrie @ 16,787 (Drexler @ 29,496) FG Made: 10th @ 3,508, trails Wallace @ 3,634 (Drexler @ 6,889) FG Attempts: 7th @ 8,118, trails Kersey @ 8,361 (Drexler @ 14,425) 3pt Made: 1st @ 1,243 3pt Attempts: 1st @ 3,353 Free Throws Made: 3rd @ 2,305, trails Porter @ 2,555 (Drexler @ 3,798) Free Throws Attempted: 7th @ 2,611, trails Wicks @ 2,634 (Drexler @ 4,816) Offensive Rebounds: 54th @ 264, trails Harkless @ 268 (Drexler @ 2,227) Total Rebounds: 24th @ 1,872, trails Dudley @ 2,183 (Aldridge @ 5,434) Assists: 4th @ 2,857, trails Stoudamire @ 3,018 (Porter @ 5,319) Steals: 17th @ 431, trails Matthews @ 441 (Drexler @ 1,795) Blocks: 36th @ 136, trails Ed Davis @ 141 (Mychal Thompson @ 768) Turnovers: 5th @ 1,285, trails Kersey @ 1,311 (Drexler @ 2,409) Fouls: 25th @ 951, trails Wayne Cooper @ 953 (Drexler @ 2,699) Additionally Damian is 54th on the NBA all-time 3-pointer list. He trails Dell Curry by 2. The all-time leader is Ray Allen with 2,973. The highest ranked active player is Jason Terry @ 2,268. The top five active players on the 3 point list are 3. Jason Terry @ 2,268 4. Kyle Korver @ 2,206 6. Jamal Crawford @ 2,140 7. Stephan Curry @ 2,126 8. Vince Carter @ 2,096
Look at the positives for Meyers in these facts. He is 4th in points scored and rebounding even though having been in the games less than one-eighth as many minutes as Chief. Meyers leads all Blazers in percentages for FG, swish3s, and TS which are remarkable! He is a scoring strength that can help to win the Championship. Now that Zach is developing as well, what I would like to see is Meyers and Zach together as the swish3 attack that can overpower the Rockets, Warriors, and Eastern Conference Champions. In key 2nd to 4th quarter substitutions for Jusuf and Chief, playing 8 minutes of the Meyers and Zach swish3 attack (instead of always just Ed and Zach) could add the 3-4 additional swish3s to keep the average at 29 points per quarter (to win over the Rockets 115+ point per game average). The Blazers can continue winning by recognizing this successful option. Meyers has scored 1803 points, and would score a lot more than 89 points this season when included for more than the 204 minutes played this year (and very few minutes in Feb and March). Instead of your negative comments, I think you should be giving credit for the positives and looking for further development that can increase Blazer scoring and bring the Championship.
Please know of which you speak before you speak. The stats above are all-time stats for those players as Blazers. * Meyers has played "less than one-eighth as many minutes as Chief" - In actuality, Chief has played 5,815 minutes as a Blazer and Meyers has played 5,167 minutes* Meyers leads all Blazers in percentages for FG, swish3s and TS - FG % has Ed Davis topping current Blazers at .588, Nurkic @ .492, Harkless @ .490, Meyers @ .466 - 3PT % has CJ McCollum topping the current Blazers at .414, Napier @ .377, Meyers @ .373 - TS% also has Ed Davis at the top of current Blazers @ .605, Lillard @ .570, Baldwin @ .568, Meyers @ .566 While definitely not the worst in any of those categories, he is definitely not the leader in any.
Swish3 is definitely talking about Meyers in 2017-2018 only: MP - 204 (11.6% the minutes of Aminu @ 1744; this is less than 1/8th) FG% - .581 (2nd behind Ed @ .590) 3P% - .429 (1st on the team) 2P% - .659 (1st on the team) TS% - .670 (1st on the team) ORtg - 131 (1st on the team) I would love to get 15 good minutes off the record with Terry Stotts to ask why is the "best" offensive threat we have is riding the pine behind everyone except Jake Layman. I don't disagree with the decision at all (look at how much more fluid Zach is out there), but I'd love to know (a) how those stats got so pumped up, (b) why he isn't sniffing any floor time besides "he sucks", and (c) what the plan is with him.
Clyde, the leader on ten lists is to be recognized. So is the fact he left and helped Houston get "one".
I'm not disagreeing that he is referring to this season only but to reference this season's stats in a thread about all-time standings without specifically stating "this year" is misleading - by using this season only stats in an all-time thread, he insinuates those values as being for "all-time" for all current Blazers. I just wanted to disabuse of that notion. My "I'm not Terry" responses to your questions: A: He has such good stats because he generally only sees time when it is "empty-the-bench" time and hence, he is often playing against the worst the opponent has to offer. B: Mechanical, and as you mention things are more "fluid" with others. C: I don't care. If we can trade him without giving away too much, great. If not, he can continue getting his occasional minutes. Does the signing of another center give you any idea of how large a part he plays in our plans for the future?
You are correct that the rankings for Meyers are for the current season. These are notable achievements, and are not explained by playing against bench players of opponents. Rather, the majority of those career points have come against some of the best players in the NBA. I agree with SportsandWhine that there should be some explanation, and think that it is at least partly due to the unreasonable negative bias expressed on this forum. The point that I emphasize is that Meyer has improved in all aspects of his game this year, has excellent statistics that were better when he was playing in 8 min or more stretches, and can offer swish3 scoring power that can bring Blazer scoring up to the range of 112-120 points per game that can mean wins in the playoffs. This is why it makes sense to think of Meyers as a resource who can contribute and optimize Blazer winning.
You are correct-on paper. On paper it makes sense to play Meyers more and take advantage of those strengths. However, on the court Meyers has continually shown lack of fit, consistency and most importantly, benefit to the team by playing him more. Yes, there are exceptions where he looks good but in general the paper view does not correlate with the actual on-court performance.
GrandpaBlaze, I strongly disagree. It is important to acknowledge these scoring achievements instead of dismissing them. Before Meyers was sharply limited to <8 min per game (up until in Feb), he was at 60.6% for FG and did lead the Blazers in all of these categories for this season. No NBA player gets those kind of numbers by wishful thinking. When you say that this is only a "paper view," you are showing the negative bias that should be reserved for our strongest adversaries (e.g., Harden and Paul). By failing to see the positives (and when you make negative assumptions) about any Blazer, you are hurting the Blazers and decreasing the probability for winning. Teams on the way to championships need encouragement that amplify accomplishments, and not unreasonable harsh statements. Confidence is a major factor. For this to be the year for the Blazers, I think that maximizing strengths and team cohesiveness is important, including contributions from the leading scoring percentage Blazers. An important aspect of teams that win championships is the skill of the coaches to recognize, value, and develop the talent on the team. Blazer coaches have the chance to get this team to the championship if they can and will find ways to optimize the talent on this team. I am optimistic!
I guess we will agree to disagree. I totally view Leonard as a "Paper Tiger". Looks good on paper but not so much in person. I don't see how voting to keep him on the bench decreases our chances of winning. Seems the less he plays the better the Blazers do. In regard to keeping negativity to our strongest adversaries, I may not like either Harden or Paul, but I have a huge respect for their capabilities as players. On the contrary, Meyers strikes me as a very nice guy but I don't have much respect for his overall ability as a pro player. Sure, he would cream most people but at the pro level, I find him lacking. I hope he gets a championship ring with the Blazers this year - not that I expect him to contribute towards earning it (other than as an all-pro towel waver). Gramps...
Yes, we do disagree. But those strong statistics are real, not imagined. Meyers can contribute much more that towel waving (which I think he has toned down), and I think that he can and should contribute more swish3s.
If he could contribute more than the occasional swish3 on a regular basis, I would be in favor of him getting more time. As it stands, he is a one-dimensional player and since he does not have the ball-handling skills of a guard, he cannot take full advantage of that one skill. Much more to the game than swish3s.
