Golden State Warriors: Overrated or No?

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Are the Warriors overrated?

  1. Yes

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    52.1%
  2. No

    23 vote(s)
    47.9%
  1. Run BJM

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    If thats the criteria then no NBA team has ever been dominant.

    The Warriors have looked vulnerable at times during the playoffs. They have looked like they can be beat. And yet no ones beat them in two years. "Closest 5 game series of all time", "OKC lost the series, GSW didn't win", "GSW is healthier than everyone they play", "XYZ team from my day would have obliterated the Warriors", "GSW is avoiding teams that lose playoff series in the first and second rounds". Boo fucking hoo. If we are so terrible then why haven't any of you pussies stepped up and beat us? MJ's Bulls aren't here to save you.

    Keep telling yourself whatever you have to to get through your day. We'll continue skullfucking.
     
  2. Strenuus

    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I remember when you use to be civil.

    It seems the draymond green effect is wearing off onto the fans.
     
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    The Cavaliers looked dominant in the playoffs. 4-0, 4-0, and 4-2 to reach the finals.
     
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    LOL, so defensive.
     
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    Does not anyone see that basically both sides are right?

    GSW WAS dominant in the regular season. There is no disputing that. GSW has DEFINITELY looked beatable in the playoffs. There is a no disputing that either. Cleveland seemed to shows chinks in their armor in the regular season and were absolutely NOT a dominant team. No disputing that. Cleveland has absolutely been dominant in the playoffs and there is no disputing that.

    I believe the point of contention however, is where GSW is a dominant team period. I think in order to answer that, you must first set guidelines to the time frame of the team. Are we saying a dominant team for a single season, only, including the playoffs, or a team as an era, spanning at minimum, two seasons?

    Most of these questions are answered above regarding a single season. As far as an era? I think they need another year. They were a great team last year, but not dominant. In order for this team to truly be considered among the elites of history, they will need at least one more 60 win season and a finals appearance within the next two years, and it must be with the same basic core, and they must win this year as well. IF they do that, they are a dominant team for their era. Hands down. They would also have to be considered in the tops as one of the top 3-5 teams in basket ball eras.

    However if they win this year, and then slide next year to a 50 something win team and lose in the playoffs.. and do the same the year after... they were not a dominant team for an era. They were just another team peaking for a year of two, like most championship teams not part of a dominant era.
     
  6. mook

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    They were clearly a dominant regular season team. You can't argue with 73 wins. The reason why is simple--who has time to commit a lot of practice to guarding a point guard 40 feet from the rim, and also the insane shooting of Clay, and also the weirdly good overall game of Green? When you face 4 teams in a week, well, you just pencil in Golden State as a loss and put your chips on beating the Portlands and Rockets of the world, because who has time to design something special for one of your 29 opponents who is probably going to win anyway?

    Teams can compete with them in a series because they can game plan around their very unique system, a luxury teams don't have in the regular season.

    Plus, I think a team so reliant on three pointers is just not going to sweep a series very often. Opponents will force them into some bad shooting nights and pull off upsets.

    But they still are incredibly tough to beat in a 7 game series because they are so good at threes. They may have 2 or 3 bad nights of shooting, but Curry and Clay ensure they won't have 4. So you have to somehow beat them in a game or two while seeing threes rain down from every direction, and the Thunder proved that's a really hard thing to do.

    The Warriors are famous for playing the percentages. Part of those percentages is that in a 7 game series they will get hot 4 times. And so far, they've been right. Is it dominant like the 72 win Bulls? No. But if they pull off a back-to-back championship while also winning 73 games, and also beating LeBron twice and a tandem of Westbrook/Durant, history won't care how many playoff games they lost while doing it. They'll be remembered as an all-time great team.
     
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    Hate hate hate hate hate
     
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    Never said they didn't have a dominant regular season.

    Just that they didn't dominate the playoffs.

    Until now.

    The way things are going now, they may sweep.
     
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    It's possible to be a Blazers fan, and still recognize that other teams are good. Some of the stuff being said in here is ridiculous.... I guess there's only ever been one dominant team since the Bill Russell Celtics? Fuck it, there was no competition back then. And they let Jordan do whatever he wanted. There's never been a dominant team. The nba is a joke. Let's all stop watching. No talent. Boring.
     
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    The Warriors are NOT overrated.

    Steph Curry's importance TO the Warriors IS overrated.
     
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    Most dominant playoff team in my lifetime of NBA watching wasn't the 72-win Bulls. It was the Lakers team that met Iverson in the finals. They didn't lose a single game in regulation, and just lost that one game (the Iverson-stepping-over-the-current-Cavs-coach game).
     
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    Cleveland Cavaliers - Overrated or no?
     
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    I say yes, if for no other reason than the fact people might claim they are the 2nd best team in the league right now. If the Cavs get swept or even lose in 5 games then some of those claiming the West fell off need to re-analyze their claims. Cleveland ran through the first 2 rounds, and didn't have that much trouble with Toronto in the ECF. Warriors faced progressively difficult competition as they advanced through the West.

    I'm a bit of a homer but I would claim there wasn't much difference between our series vs the Warriors and the Thunders series vs the Warriors. We very well could have been up 3-1 if we had not given away leads in games. The Thunder didn't get ahead on the Warriors like we did, but they were able to go blow for blow with them better than us.

    Would have liked to see Cavs - Thunder in the Finals. I think we would have gotten a better read on where the two conferences stand compared to one another.
     
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    Definitely. Watching this series I can't help but think that we were more competitive against GSW. I think the following teams would definitely beat the Cavs:
    GSW
    SAS
    OKC
    LAC

    And I'd give even odds to both POR and a healthy MEM. Basically, the only teams in the West that CLE would definitely beat in a 7-game series would be DAL and HOU.
     
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    I have to grit my teeth and say no.

    The Blazers challenged, far more than anyone expected, but when they absolutely had to the Warriors outplayed Portland.
    OKC "should" have won the series, with a 3-1 lead and Game 6 at home and a double digit lead, but they dropped the ball and GSW picked it up.
    Cleveland has looked like Houston, totally outclassed.

    I'm not happy about it but barring world class choke the Warriors will win the series, probably in 5. Ugh. Life among the bandwagon jumping homers.
     
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    Dominate! Yes of course. 73 wins, first time ever. Coming back from a 3-1 deficit is rarely done, but they did it. I picked the Warriors in 5 to win the Championship series, If I had to change it,
    I would pick 4 not 6.

    Watched every dominate team since the 50's, Warriors are as good as any and probably better line up, 1 -9 than any before. Perhaps they also have an all time great coach too.
     
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    Is there a difference between dominant and one of the best ever? What I mean is that the biggest flaw the Warriors have is that they can be a bit too carefree and careless and that can lead to some losses that, according to talent, shouldn't happen. As good as the Bazers games were, I never felt that the Warriors came out all that strong against them and they really didn't need to becuase they had the ability to come back and win. In the OKC series, you all point to losing the 2 in OKC as a sign that they aren't dominant and I agree that they shit the bed those 2 games but shouldn't it count for something that they were able to come back from 3-1 and win? That's what dominant teams do; they respond to adversity. Please don't start with the OKC choked stuff, aside from the last 5 min of game 6 they played well but the Warriors just out played them. And this doesn't look like a fluky season as it is coming off a #1 seed and championship.

    I know that Jordan is Jordan and all that but it seems crazy to me that people take it as a given that the 96 bulls would sweep or even win in 5. And some of the other teams I've seen mentioned here like the Isiah and the Larry Brown Pistons, Kemp's Sonics, Nash's Suns...come on, those teams weren't even close to what we are seeing here.
     
  18. Denny Crane

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    Yes there's a difference. Dominant implies they beat you all 48 minutes. Not the last 12. The last 12 indicates depth that overcomes the better team getting tired.

    4-0, maybe 4-1, is dominant. No excuses need to be made if the team really is dominant.

    One of the best ever means you sort the teams by record. The Warriors were the best ever in that regard.

    The dynasty Bulls won 3 championships, missed 2 with prime Jordan playing baseball, the three more. I say they win the season before if Pippen plays game 7, and the two years Jordan missed. That would have been 9 in a row. But no excuses. In those 6 seasons, they won 72, 69, 67, 62, and 61. They won 55 without Jordan.

    As good as the Bulls were, they lost to the Pistons 3 straight times. Those Piston teams were damned good.

    Assuming the Warriors win this finals, we can talk about greatest ever after they win 60+ 5 times and 3 or 4 more championships.
     
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    During today's NBA no the Worriers are not overated. Compared to the 80s & 90s NBA champions yes they are overrated. As I've said, the NBA has gotten weak.
     
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  20. Nate

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    I don't understand how the nba is "weak" because they don't allow shitty basketball players to act like they're on a football field. If you're not talented enough, or athletic enough to stay in front of someone, you shouldn't be able to hang on them, or take them out in mid air. That's not basketball. That's shitty players getting beat, and saying fuck it, I'll just try to fuck them up.

    If you go play basketball at any park, the slowest, shittiest players are going to give their best 90's basketball defensive impression, and hang all over you.

    If the Warriors could play defense the same way they did in the 90's wouldn't that just make them even better? And they would still be draining 3's from hella far out.

    Clearly this is a generational thing. I respect a player than can stay in front of his man. I don't respect hanging on someone. I also respect a good cross over, and if someone crosses me up, I'm not going to just say fuck it and grab them.
     
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