Hinrich for C. Butler?

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  1. Mel JBB

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    Here's a new RUMOR spreading on some messageboards (from NBAWire by way of LakersGround.net):

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting lakeshowhorizon:</div><div class="quote_post">I was probing along clublakers for a quick moment and found this interesting thread to say the least,regarding a rumor about a new Laker trade maybe being in the works. This is all courtesy of clublaker poster, "Startrout". I guess he was scoping out nbawire.com and found out this:
    <div style="padding-left: 20px;">Quote:
    "I am in Las Vegas for business and heard an interesting Laker trade rumor last night while visiting the Palms Casino. After our meeting, a bunch of us went to the bar in the middle of the casino and the bartender there was talking about the Kings moving to Vegas..which is nothing new. However, he told a few of us that he had a friend who worked for the Lakers in there marketing department. That person told him the Lakers may be acquiring Kirk Hinrich from the Bulls straight up for Caron Butler. Probably pure gossip, but i thought it was worth mentioning. This guy seemed pretty knowledgeable about the NBA. If the Bulls believe Ben Gordon is the answer to there point guard position, the deal actually makes sense. I did the trade at RealGM and it was accepted. Personally, I love the trade..helps both teams...and would give the Lakers a lights out shooter which they desperately need while ridding themselves of a small forward. But again, seeing is believing, as we all know on this board".</div>

    It was later followed up by another poster who seemed to confirm the rumor:

    <div style="padding-left: 20px;">Quote:
    "Hey Guys it's my first time posting here. Ive been goin on this board for about 5 months now but I've never posted until now. Im a huge laker fan and want to join you guys on posting messages about OUR team.

    I have a friend that works for Nike corps. who knows someone that works for the lakers management team and he also mentioned something about the caron for hinrich. Though the one I heard included tyson chandler in it. I'm not sure who the lakers would give up to get both players but it's what I heard.

    I know that this is just a rumor but if two people from different sources heard about it, It's a possibility that it's a slight step above a made up rumor.

    Oh and by the way, NIKE is working on Kobe's next signature shoes"!!!</div>
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    The original link:
    http://www.nbawire.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.c...;num=1096553139</div>http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.p...0401&forum=1&38
     
  2. jbbReal Deal

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    Please Chicago, do this...you know you want to.
     
  3. hagrid

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    I almost never believe anyone who divulges that they "know someone who works for X team".


    1. People who work for these franchises sign confidentiality clauses, that if violated, are cause for termination.

    2. I have little belief that someone in the Marketing department would know about a trade that's being worked out. Even if the higher ups said, "stop doing media work on Caron Butler". I doubt they'd divulge a possible trade before it's worked out.

    Regardless of if they did, keep in mind point #1.

    If it happens, fine. It's no secret that the Lakers are looking for a youthful PG and Butler is a superflous commodity in LA. The rumor makes some sense.

    However, I'll believe it when it happens.
     
  4. Mr. J

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    This would be one of the most foolish trades in History. The Bulls already made a horrible trade by trading Elton Brand for Skinner and Chandler. Heinrich has much more potential than Caron Butler. In about 3-4 years the Bulls will not be a joke.
     
  5. Thorn

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    I have to say I think the Bulls would be better off avoiding this move. I honestly like Kirk's potential, and a good 1 is hard to find. We all know centers and point guards are a commodity.

    Caron was good in his rookie year and showed a lot of promise, his sophomore slump was one of the worst I have seen in recent years.

    This trade COULD work out for both teams if Butler develops some range and can show that his rookie year was not a fluke, but I do not know if I would gamble with Kirk. To my mind anyway he is a keeper.

    It would be a nice trade for LA though, they could really benefit from adding Kirk and losing Butler would be tough but they have people to fill the minutes he would leave behind and I have to assume he would be serve better as trade bait anyway. People know his name, saw his potential, and may well be willing to take him thinking "I am the coach/gm that can get him to perform to his potential".
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">I almost never believe anyone who divulges that they "know someone who works for X team".
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    I know Kirk Hinrich (and Nick Collison) [​IMG] believe me?

    Haha...I would actually love to speak with him myself but I haven't talked to him since his last year with the Jayhawks, so that sucks.

    Yes, it would be a bad move for the Bulls...I agree...but I'm not a Bulls fan, either. :P
     
  7. Mez

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    As much as I'd LOVE this to go down, it won't. The Bulls love Hinrich and have already said he will be their PG for the future, and his future is brighter than Bulter. Caron does have a lot of potential to be a very good player ( had a great rookie season ) but Hinrich is a rare pass-first PG that we don't see much of these days. Like I have said I'd love it if this happened, but I don't think the Bulls would make another huge mistake like they did with Brand, as mrj18 said.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I know Kirk Hinrich (and Nick Collison) [​IMG] believe me?</div>

    Knowing a player isn't the same. The players are usually the last to know and are told not to say anything, even if they are informed before it's all said and done in the first place.

    And with all due respect, I wouldn't believe you if you posted a trade rumor by stating that you got it from a freind that's a player. (and yes, I believe you know them)

    Don't take that the wrong way, it's just a general thing. I wouldn't expect anyone to believe me either. [​IMG] I actually know people who work in offices at the C's and Knicks, but would never betray thier trust, should they ever divulge something like this.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">Knowing a player isn't the same. The players are usually the last to know and are told not to say anything, even if they are informed before it's all said and done in the first place.

    And with all due respect, I wouldn't believe you. Don't take that the wrong way, it's just a general thing. I wouldn't expect anyone to believe me either. [​IMG]</div>
    No, I know it's not the same. [​IMG]

    And it's okay not to believe me. I lived in Lawrence, KS for a short period of time, and I was going to attend the Univ. of Kansas, but because of my diabetes, I had to pay a few hospital bills and I didn't have enough time or money to stay in Lawrence. Kirk didn't party much...he was quiet...but Nick did, yet they didn't really have time for it when school started back up. If I find pictures of us, I'll have to post them...I took a few. But...I met them by way of my girlfriend (my ex now) so it was something to remember her by [​IMG] haha.

    On with the trade, already [​IMG]

    EDIT: By the way...assuming this trade goes down (I don't know why it would though), what good will it do the Bulls, with Nocioni and Deng already playing the SF? Butler is a young guy, really...so I don't see why this would even be done. :thumbsdow Now I'm not as happy... [​IMG]

    EDIT #2: I noticed you edited also, so it's all good. :thumbsup:
     
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    I believe you, really I do. I forgot to put that in my original post. I was editing it when you posted your response.
     
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    Bulls fans would be ready to run Paxson out of town if this deal ever went through.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">Bulls fans would be ready to run Paxson out of town if this deal ever went through.</div>


    Your right Paxson LOVES Hinrich Hes like his mini-me and a good pg is hard to find. most of the good ones are old and ready to retire.
     
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    Makes too much sense for the Lakers and not enough for the Bulls. With that said, I'm still a little perplexed by how the Bulls think they're going to start two 6-3 guys in the backcourt together (it is the NBA, after all). If they thought they could start Butler at the two it would start to make a little more sense, but I don't see Caron being able to cope there.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Makes too much sense for the Lakers and not enough for the Bulls. With that said, I'm still a little perplexed by how the Bulls think they're going to start two 6-3 guys in the backcourt together (it is the NBA, after all). If they thought they could start Butler at the two it would start to make a little more sense, but I don't see Caron being able to cope there.</div>

    Iverson and Snow were 6'0 and 6'3 and that was a pretty solid backcourt, If Mobley were only an inch shorter he and Francis would fit into that category. So the height is not really the biggest factor it is the talent.
     
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    horrible trade for Chicago...they already have Deng, Nocioni and Piatkowski to take up swingman minutes...if they trade Hinrich, they only have Duhon/Pargo/Wilks as PG candidates...bad trade for Chicago but awesome for the Lakers...
     
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    What's the point in discussing rumors when they'll never happen? Like name me one trade rumor this off-season that actually became reality.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Like name me one trade rumor this off-season that actually became reality.</div>Houston and Orlando that had T-Mac going to the Rockets for Steve Francis...
     
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    I ama big Bulls fan and a big Hinrich fan. They should keep him. He is the only player in that lineup that is guaranteed to produce. He had a very under-rated rookie season. He averaged 12 points and 7 assists. This would be a big mistake by the Bulls.
     
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    Hinrich will be a GREAT point guard in time [​IMG] (he has already shown a great basketball IQ, nice passing, good looking shot that will develop more with time and a toughness rare in a PG
    Butler while showing some flashes in his rookie year really flopped last year showing some real inconsistancies [​IMG]
    As a huge Bulls fan if this happens I may have to reconsider my position and start auditioning for a new favorite team [​IMG]
    <font color="DarkRed">Bulls :thumbsdow
    </font>Lakers :thumbsup:
    Dont do it Pax Bulls fans will revolt
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting BullsFan4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">Hinrich will be a GREAT point guard in time [​IMG] (he has already shown a great basketball IQ, nice passing, good looking shot that will develop more with time and a toughness rare in a PG
    Butler while showing some flashes in his rookie year really flopped last year showing some real inconsistancies [​IMG]
    As a huge Bulls fan if this happens I may have to reconsider my position and start auditioning for a new favorite team [​IMG]
    <font color="DarkRed">Bulls :thumbsdow
    </font>Lakers :thumbsup:
    Dont do it Pax Bulls fans will revolt</div>
    Inconsistency? Caron Butler suffered an injury that pretty much would not go away, and it affected him even when he returned to the Heat. In his rookie year, he posted 15 PPG, 5 RPG and 3 APG...pretty good actually, not exactly a couple of flashes, but a pretty good season for a rookie.

    But I'm not supporting the trade, really...I mean, I'll be happy if it happens, like I said, but it's a mistake by the Bulls because, who knows...Butler may suffer a re-injury.
     

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