Politics Homeless people gain ‘de facto right’ to sleep on sidewalks through federal court

"Supreme Court declines to re-examine the criminalization of homelessness in Martin v. City of Boise case"

Thought it was worth pointing out that this is not new. This happened under Trump. With a conservative Supreme Court.

We literally can not clean up our streets unless we house these people.

https://archive.curbed.com/2019/4/5/18296772/supreme-court-homeless-lawsuit-boise-appeals-court

 

They didn't "outlaw homelessness," they outlawed camping in certain places. There needs to be more accomodations made, certainly. But there also needs to be protections in place for those who wish to use public property for the purposes for which they are intended. This is an enormously complex issue, and oversimplifying it in either direction serves noone except for those who profit either financially or politically by sowing division.

 

Each of these homeless cost us $30k per year by living their unhealthy lifestyle and destroying our cities. $30k per year would pay for a really nice apartment, or several decent studio apartments.

Once you did that you could legally prevent the homeless from sleeping outside or setting up camp (according to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, which the Supreme Court let stand on appeal).

It sounds to me like as long as Oregon has adequate housing for Oregon's share of homeless we can be tough on homeless who try to come in from other states.

 

You'd have the additional expense of providing a place for these people to socialize with like minded people but it's a good idea.

 

Oh, they’re allowed to exist. Thanks government.

 

But they are very treatable if you just house them. No need to isolate them from us.

 

Sure, some of them should be isolated. But many can be treated once placed in a healthier situation where they feel like they of some control over their lives.

Once housed we can more easily keep tabs on them. We would have a pretty good idea of who to keep a closer eye on by the time our social workers placed then in homes. Or if they are really bad, place them where they need to be rather than a home.

 

My issue is that a lot of these people are being shipped here from other cities because they don't want to deal with them. Why does our city have to shoulder the burden of taking care of all these people? I haven't looked, but just from how the city has changed in the last 10 years, I would guess that our homeless population has soared. We can't take on the homeless from all over the country. This is a major issue and there should be some kind of penalty for cities that dump their problem on us.

 

Eh? How is advocating for a better cleaner, healthier, safer situation for them speaking of them as scum?

Honestly, I don't know what part of my post could be eliciting this response?

 

https://www.opb.org/article/2021/03...less-population-in-decline-prior-to-pandemic/

How exactly did Oregon end up with the third worst homeless rate in the country? Because other cities are shipping them here. Something has to be done about that.

 

I think we have a lot of these programs in place, but people living on the streets will not be able to take full advantage of them because they have such terrible living situations.

Getting these people into situations where they feel they are safe and have some control will allow the programs we already have to be far more effective, and help us more effectively address any short comings.

I just think the first step needs to be getting as many off of the streets as possible.

 

This is why it's a federal problem. If any state tries to do anything then all the other states just give them their problem.

 

No worries. I'm actually treading along a line of trying to sounds less concerned about the human angle than I actually am and more along the lines of just cleaning up the streets and reducing the impact on the rest of us, as the human angle tends to derail the conversation for some reason.

So I wanted to make sure I hadn't gone too far...

 

We just can't afford to shoulder all the countries homeless problem. I suspect it will only get worse.