Politics Is Bernie Sanders a communist?

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    No but if he wins the Democratic vote then I'm betting a lot of attack adds will try and portray him as a socialist who is almost a communist. He bleeds red, and red is as you know the communist party colors!
     
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    So the Blazers are communists?
     
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    http://politicalaffairs.net/cornell-west-endorse-s-bernie-sanders-by-norman-markowitz/

    Cornell West Endorse's Bernie Sanders by Norman Markowitz
    by: sunday 30 august 2015

    As someone who has known Cornel West and deeply respected for many years and has always been deeply impressed by his insights and courage in an academic world where both are often in short supply, I thought our readers should read and respond to his clear, well-reasoned, and powerful endorsement of Bernie Sanders presidential campaign. It responds intelligently to questions from the left that have been raised by the campaign, neither ignoring those questions or using them as clubs againstg the campaign

    Norman Markowitz




    Why I Endorse Bernie Sanders

    By Cornel West, Cornel West's Facebook Page

    25 August 15



    [​IMG]hy I Endorse Brother Bernie and Reject Brother Trump.

    The American Empire is in decline. Our market-driven culture is in decay. The criminal justice system has failed us. And the political system is collapsing due to the weight of corrupt lobbyists and greedy capitalists. Only organized power of courageous and compassionate people can turn around these catastrophic realities. Social movements in the streets and jails over against the Establishment in both decrepit political parties are fundamental. And prophetic politicians -- always with their faults and blind spots -- who tell the truth about Wall Street, white supremacy, empire, patriarchy and homophobia, deserve our critical support. Yet even more important is the issue of integrity.

    Brother Bernie and Brother Trump are authentic human beings in stark contrast to their donor-driven opponents. Yet only Bernie has authenticity and integrity, whereas Trump is for real but not for right. Trump's attacks on precious Mexican brothers and sisters are unconscionable -- even as his blessed mother was born in Scotland and grandfather (Mr. Drumpf) was born in Germany. His kind of nativistic hostility could have excluded them. And Trump's unpatriotic complicity with the plutocratic corruption of our political system for over 30 years calls into question his integrity, including his commitment to "make America great again."

    My endorsement of Brother Bernie in the primaries is not an affirmation of the neo-liberal Democratic Party or a downplaying of the immorality of the ugly Israeli occupation of Palestinians. I do so because he is a long-distance runner with integrity in the struggle for justice for over 50 years. Now is the time for his prophetic voice to be heard across our crisis-ridden country, even as we push him with integrity toward a more comprehensive vision of freedom for all.
     
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    saying socialism is very close to communism is like saying capitalism is very close to facism
     
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    so·cial·ism
    [ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
    leftism · welfarism · radicalism · 
    [more]

    NOUN
    1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
      synonyms: leftism · welfarism · radicalism · 
      [more]
     
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    com·mu·nism
    [ˈkämyəˌnizəm]
    Marxism.

    NOUN
    1. a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs. See also Marxism.
     
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    fas·cism
    [ˈfaSHˌizəm]
    authoritarianism · totalitarianism · 
    [more]

    NOUN
    1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
      synonyms: authoritarianism · totalitarianism · 
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    I don't see any similarities with capitalism and facism at all. I do see similarities in socialism and communism though.
     
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    @selective political prejudice.com
     
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    Not really... Did you read the short definitions of all 4 you explained? Which two are most similar to you?
     
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    I don't see many similarities either, you missed my point...Bernie Sanders doesn't want your business or property but he's a convenient scapegoat for those evil left leaning candidates..I think again, defining people as left or right, liberal or conservative is more often than not, a shallow generalization. you asked if he was a communist...read your own definition of communism and retract your judgement of the man
     
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    Your statement of "socialism being similar to communist is like saying Capitalism is similar to Facism" is wrong.

    As for the OP, I am asking a question, since all the Marxists and Communist party's are publicly supporting him.

    And the question isn't left to right. There are conservative democrats for example. There are liberal republicans for example.
     
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    I've never thought communism sounded all that bad.
     
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    The pure form of communism is actually good, but historically it never pans out that way.
     
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    McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence. It also means "the practice of making unfair allegations or using unfair investigative techniques, especially in order to restrict dissent or political criticism."[1]The term has its origins in the period in the United States known as the Second Red Scare, lasting roughly from 1950 to 1956 and characterized by heightened political repression against communists, as well as a campaign spreading fear of their influence on American institutions and of espionage by Soviet agents. Originally coined to criticize the anti-communist pursuits of Republican U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin, "McCarthyism" soon took on a broader meaning, describing the excesses of similar efforts. The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.

    During the McCarthy era, thousands of Americans were accused of being communists or communist sympathizers and became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. The primary targets of such suspicions were government employees, those in the entertainment industry, educators and union activists. Suspicions were often given credence despite inconclusive or questionable evidence, and the level of threat posed by a person's real or supposed leftist associations or beliefs was often greatly exaggerated. Many people suffered loss of employment and/or destruction of their careers; some even suffered imprisonment. Most of these punishments came about through trial verdicts later overturned,[2] laws that were later declared unconstitutional,[3] dismissals for reasons later declared illegal[4] or actionable,[5] or extra-legal procedures that would come into general disrepute.

    The most notable examples of McCarthyism include the speeches, investigations, and hearings of Senator McCarthy himself; theHollywood blacklist, associated with hearings conducted by the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC); and the various anti-communist activities of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) under Director J. Edgar Hoover. McCarthyism was a widespread social and cultural phenomenon that affected all levels of society and was the source of a great deal of debate and conflict in the United States
     
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    And how does this apply to the OP?

    I am not saying "Don't vote for Bernie because he's a commie!" You taking offense is because you read only what you want to read. I'm asking a question and not accusing him being one. You are the one accusing me of being what you just explained.
     
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    So anwer your own question ..it's your thread..my answer is no..he's not a communist and if american communists support him, it's their right same as if american nazis support Trump ..it's their right but that doesn't make Trump a nazi..you've alluded to liberals being commies several times..that's McCarthyism
     

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