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This kid's decision making makes Eli look as smart as Stephen Hawking.
 
totus44 said:
This kid's decision making makes Eli look as smart as Stephen Hawking.
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He doesn't have much "zip" on his passes...or at least not enough to cut it in the NFL.
I haven't seen alot of him - have I seen enough?

He does move and scramble well.

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Johnny F'ng Football, what a joke.....I've felt he was over rated since he beat BAMA, 1 time, that's it, 1 time.....

His only claim to fame......
 
Just for the sake of sanity - lets not write off a rookie QB after one NFL start.


Okay I said it, proceed with the barrage....lol
 
blgridesagain said:
Just for the sake of sanity - lets not write off a rookie QB after one NFL start.


Okay I said it, proceed with the barrage....lol
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Well as long as he's in Cleveland; The Browns and JFF are going nowhere. How many #1 QB draft picks have the Browns had in the last decade. I know of Weeden, Brady Quinn, JFF, and I know I'm missing one or two more?
 
yankeesince59 said:
...why would he be praying for me?
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I'm not sure myself 59, other than he still can't crack the Q- "who were you before your father was born"???

Maybe, or more to it.......

Maybe cuz ye' can't be cracked.....and I refuse too....! :lol:
 
yankeesince59 said:
...why would he be praying for me?
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2nd thought, maybe Tote, want's to ensure (who he envisions as Uncle Scrooges), to have a nice pagan day of worship, for Santa Claus, who is as much God to most, as other concepts for other more matured minds.

Maybe he's praying we will get more than just our normal coal, in the Xmas stocking this year. But Hell, mine's been in storage or in the attic, for decades now.....!

Regardless, we still feel the Holiday Cheer, more in terms of: "Every day is a Holiday, every meal a Feast" (mentality)....

Damn it, always pisses me off when "peace on earth, and goodwill to men" stops suddenly after the 1st of the year, 'til another pagan calendar date, next year.....Where the fk does all that cheer and goodwill go anyway, into the Goodwill store........maybe Tote's calling out the Salvation Army for us, in lieu of the Natl. Guard in Fergy....!
 
NFL teams will continue to be fooled by the gimmick college offenses these guys come from instead of looking at how their skills will translate in the NFL. The Andrew Lucks don't come around all the time and are few and far between. There have likely been more Heisman Trophy busts than there have been NFL stars Christ Charlie Ward won the trophy and then was playing for the Knicks.
 
...^^^ the differences in the "speed of the game" between college and pro are drastic...he doesn't seem to have a very strong arm and is not used to playing against DBs who can close on the ball as quickly as the ones in the NFL do.

...not sure if he's got what it takes to make the jump from college to the NFL...we'll see.
 
Messiah717 said:
NFL teams will continue to be fooled by the gimmick college offenses these guys come from instead of looking at how their skills will translate in the NFL. The Andrew Lucks don't come around all the time and are few and far between. There have likely been more Heisman Trophy busts than there have been NFL stars Christ Charlie Ward won the trophy and then was playing for the Knicks.
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Yep- has anyone noticed the vast majority of QBs who like to leave the pocket and run aren't setting the world on fire with passing stats and team winning% ?

Having "only" quick feet within the area of the pocket, quick release, a strong or very accurate arm and good decision making are the key assets. You don't have to be an Olympic Athlete. lol
 
blgridesagain said:
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He doesn't have much "zip" on his passes...or at least not enough to cut it in the NFL.
I haven't seen alot of him - have I seen enough?

He does move and scramble well.

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Manziel has enough zip, underrated arm strength. Hell, he's even quicker and faster than his combine numbers indicate (especially agility), but he's clearly not ready to start yet. He goes through reads like an antsy high schooler. He was also terribly inaccurate.

However, you can't pin the loss solely on Manziel, the O-Line was atrocious, the run defense (or lack thereof) was exploited once again especially with their 3-techniques out. And their NTs are done for the regular season. All around bad game.
 
By the way - for my money, if I HAD to win one game against a very good team in this modern era (past 30 years?) -
I'll take in no necessary order Joe Montana, Tom Brady and Russell Wilson.

Russell Wilson is absolutely a fabulous QB and leader - and I actually think he is underrated....and I realize he's won just one Super Bowl (1-0)
He's the closest thing to Montana - not an exceptionally strong throwing arm - not a "big and fast" QB, but incredible poise, great leadership qualities, good pass distribution (remember, Montana won a National Championship AND a Super Bowl without Jerry Rice), verygood athlete, great decision making and fast enough to escape the pocket and run the ball for a first down.

Wilson "always" seems to make the right decision. He is a GREAT QB.

Brady is more of a GREAT pocket passing QB who also has the leadership quality, poise, great decision making, spreads the ball around and performs under pressure.

Aaron Rogers is my number 4 guy.....for now. lol
 
blgridesagain said:
By the way - for my money, if I HAD to win one game against a very good team in this modern era (past 30 years?) -
I'll take in no necessary order Joe Montana, Tom Brady and Russell Wilson.

Russell Wilson is absolutely a fabulous QB and leader - and I actually think he is underrated....and I realize he's won just one Super Bowl (1-0)
He's the closest thing to Montana - not an exceptionally strong throwing arm - not a "big and fast" QB, but incredible poise, great leadership qualities, good pass distribution (remember, Montana won a National Championship AND a Super Bowl without Jerry Rice), verygood athlete, great decision making and fast enough to escape the pocket and run the ball for a first down.

Wilson "always" seems to make the right decision. He is a GREAT QB.

Brady is more of a GREAT pocket passing QB who also has the leadership quality, poise, great decision making, spreads the ball around and performs under pressure.

Aaron Rogers is my number 4 guy.....for now. lol
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What no love for Payton Manning who runs the no huddle offense better than anyone. And is still at the top of his game at 37.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...under-rated arm strength?...opinions vary.
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If we're talking about Wilson, I said: I actually think he is underrated (as a QB)
He doesn't have a weak arm - but he isn't exactly known for having a "big arm". Neither was Montana.
 
...^^^ no, I was responding to the poster in post #17 who was referring to Manziel.
 
Rick2583 said:
What no love for Payton Manning who runs the no huddle offense better than anyone. And is still at the top of his game at 37.
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No issue with Montana and Brady. Not enough time yet for Wilson. Payton Manning is on my short list as are Elway, Favre and Roelesberger because they played/play with heart and guts. And frankly some other names that get lost in this shuffle are Jim Kelley (minus the 4 SB games), Troy Aikman and Warren Moon.
 
...Kelley and the Bills got a bad rap and were labeled by some as losers. But no other team has appeared in 4 consecutive SBs, and probably never will again.
 
Rick2583 said:
What no love for Payton Manning who runs the no huddle offense better than anyone. And is still at the top of his game at 37.
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I like Peyton, ALOT - he seems to be a great guy, no doubt - wonderful personality, his TV commercials are a joy, he can name his price if he ever became an NFL analyst/commentator -
MAYBE THE GREATEST "ALL TIME" GREAT QB stats-wise - PROLIFIC .....
I love him, lol.
...his Super Bowl record/career leaves him off my "must win a BIG game" list.
When I say need to win ONE game...I think you know what I'm talking about. lol
 
blgridesagain said:
By the way - for my money, if I HAD to win one game against a very good team in this modern era (past 30 years?) -
I'll take in no necessary order Joe Montana, Tom Brady and Russell Wilson.

Russell Wilson is absolutely a fabulous QB and leader - and I actually think he is underrated....and I realize he's won just one Super Bowl (1-0)
He's the closest thing to Montana - not an exceptionally strong throwing arm - not a "big and fast" QB, but incredible poise, great leadership qualities, good pass distribution (remember, Montana won a National Championship AND a Super Bowl without Jerry Rice), verygood athlete, great decision making and fast enough to escape the pocket and run the ball for a first down.

Wilson "always" seems to make the right decision. He is a GREAT QB.

Brady is more of a GREAT pocket passing QB who also has the leadership quality, poise, great decision making, spreads the ball around and performs under pressure.

Aaron Rogers is my number 4 guy.....for now. lol
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I never have and never will drink the Tom Brady Crying on the Sidelines after a S.B. Loss, over Joe Montana. Montana was gold.....Wilson is way to young to judge. Your right on the mark with Aaron Rodgers. Who makes most Pack Fans forget Favre.

I guess you didn't see the Elway/Montana Charity Touch FB game, when Montana was approx. 48 yrs old, and hit Jerry Rice on a 60 yard pass, right into the end zone. Of course Flag is no comparison, yet passing a ball 180 feet, I'll take anytime.

You might want to go back and watch Montana hand Elway and Reeves a SB A-Bomb, consistent attack, with Joe hitting Rice and Taylor on deep post routes, time and time again, splitting the Safeties, while tossing the pigskin a good 20 yards behind the Safeties set area(s).

Don't want to get into a pissing contest over who the top 3 QB's were. Can't knock Unitas, Staubach, Morton, Dawson, Lamonica, Starr, Bradshaw, Theisman, Lynn Dickey, still a ton of others.

Of course you said "modern day' of 30 years, lets go back further??? Slinging Sammy Baugh, Van Brocklin, and many others.Yet, in modern day only, (20 years), I'd love to kick Wilson and Carroll's ass. Brady is too over-hyped. I wouldn't feel jazzed to beat Brady, I'd expect to beat his ass every time I saw his face, or tears....! LOL...!
 
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