Make a Prediction: Bledsoe vs TPE

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What is more likely to be used

  1. A) Bledsoe's Expiring Contract

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  2. B) The 21M TPE

    34.0%
  3. C) Both

    24.0%
  4. D) Neither

    24.0%
  1. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    make a prediction
     
  2. blazerkor

    blazerkor Well-Known Member

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    So I think the most likely thing that will happen is we trade back in the draft to one of the teams with multiple firsts, which team that is will depend on where we land in the lotto. I think we'll then trade the later of those two picks for Grant and use the TPE to absorb him and then draft whoever we like the most with the earlier pick. For instance if we land at 7 and the Spurs like a guy available there we could send the 7th pick for the 10th and 20th, draft someone with the 10th and send the 20th to Detroit for Grant.
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    The Blazers should use the TPE to bring in the most future young talent they can by absorbing a contending teams overpaid veteran contract.

    What do I expect the Blazers to do? Trade our lottery picks and critical young talent to get a flawed veteran like Grant. So the team will make moves that are basically a worse version of Olshey's flawed moves.
     
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    Pinwheel1 Well-Known Member

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    Our lottery pick for Grant? I guess it is possible if our pick falls to #10. But I think this is one of those predictions that we will have to circle back to. I find it hard to believe especially if we end up in the top 6.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    I voted neither, because I don’t think either will return anything of value. But if I had to bet, I think we do use the TPE on some useless pieces or a bloated bad contract that make people wish we hadn’t used it.
     
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    I tend to go with what sets me up for least disappointment when it comes to my fandom. I’ll say neither.
     
  7. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Probably the TPE... Unless Bledsoe can actually play.
     
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    oldmangrouch persona non grata

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    To use either one, there are, or should be 2 criteria.
    First, will the deal actually improve the team, as opposed to just being another bandaid/journeyman vet.
    Second, to get the Vulcans to buy in it can't substantially raise payroll.
     
  9. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    Because I’ve seen this episode before, I’ll say it doesn’t matter because it won’t make us good enough or bad enough to make a difference.
     
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    The TPE is being used for Grant. If our pick moves up, we'll trade the MIL 2025 1st and Keon (unless Cronin is moronic and gives up Nas).

    If we don't move up we trade down with SAS or CHA and use a combination of one of those picks with Keon or the MIL 1st.

    Fully confident in this happening.

    Bledsoe will be a trade chip next year. We'll be hoping that our pick will convey (i.e. that we'll be good enough) and that we can trade future picks with Bledsoe in some sort of manner.
     
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    do you actually believe the Blazers will guarantee his contract?

    my assumption is if they can't find a trade for him around the draft they'll cut him loose rather that pay 15M for him on spec
     
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    As Wiz said, the Blazers won't guarantee Bledsoe.

    I don't know Keon or anyone can be combined salary wise with a TPE
     
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    Nothing can be combined with a TPE. It has to be the TPE for the player whose salary fits into it straight up. That trade can be contingent on another trade though but that trade doesn't involve the player's salary being taken on by the TPE and must comply separately with the CBA's rules on trades. The most we can take back is the exact amount of the TPE... no wiggle room, no adding players to it, no adding other TPEs to it. So if we are going to make a deal that brings in Jerami Grant using the TPE, it will have to be completed before the end of the league year because Grant's salary next season does not fit into our TPE. Our TPE is $20,864,198 and Grant's $20,950,000. So if we don't see it by June 30th, we won't be acquiring Grant using the TPE.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Tpe + 100k. Grants 2022-23 salary is just under that level.
     
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    Oh, I thought I'd read that it couldn't exceed it at all but it's as plain as day in the CBA that it's +100k. Thanks for letting me know.
     
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    It is Ordained, so sayeth the CBA.

    Getting rid of Bledsoe's $15mil will let it pass.
     
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    If they're still under the tax but over the cap regardless of what they do, then yes. Because cutting him wouldn't open up anything extra and they'd lose a trade chip. At least, I hope this is the case.
     
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    if you assume 35M for Simons and Nurkic + 7M for their draft pick, the Blazers would be at 136M with 12 players. That would be about 12M below the tax line; 18M below the apron

    but that would still leave them with a 21M TPE; a 6.5M TPE; a 3.3M TPE; and either a 6.7M tax-MLE, or a 10M full-MLE

    just using the tax-MLE and 15M of the big TPE would put them at least 10M over the tax-line. Meaning, that the 15M owed Bledsoe over and above his partial guarantee would cost Portland 15M + (5M X $2.50) + (5M + $3.25) + (5M X $3.75) = 15M + 12.5M + 16.25M + 18.75M = 62.5M

    yeah, that's right as far as I can tell....the Blazers could be paying over 60M dollars just to hold onto Bledsoe for the speculative chance he'd fetch back value as an expiring contract. That's over 60 million dollars

    LOL...yeah, I can see the Vulcans agreeing to that because they never worry about tax
     
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    I don't look the Blazers going over the tax line that makes them pay a tax. I will be suprise they use the TPE this off season and they do use it the TPE more likely be somewhere during the season but where we are at in the standing.
     
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    1. It won’t be popular, but given his injuries and getting close to fish or cut bait on Little’s 2nd contract, it’s Nas+ the Bucks Pick + Bledsoe for Grant. However, Grant gets fit under the TPE and the outgoing sum of Nas and EBEC starts the clock on a new TPE.
    2. Portland drafts a forward with their own pick. Murray or Sharpe (SG/SF).
     
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