A Presidential pardon for an S2 crime is non negotiable. i.e. Null and void, a big fat null set, zero, nothingness, less than the term 'ether' which they use to describe outer space at Trump University. Take a particle and cleave it in half, now take half of that and do that an infinite number of times. The result is greater than the value of a Presidential pardon here in S2 land.
Serious question, because I haven't been following Mueller very closely (I'm very much in a "wake me when something happens that doesn't get laughed at--like subpeona-ing Russians who use that as a way to hack all the 'discovery-able' files" mode)... I know lots of people are getting arrested, indicted, etc. I have no doubt that the President used/surrounded himself with people who I would colloquially call "pieces of lying shit". But has there been anything in all these arrests and indictments about the purpose of the case--namely, that Russia somehow turned an election that was going to be won by HRC into one that is won by Trump? I see tax fraud. I see evasion and lying to the FBI. Flynn's case is shady as hell ("we'll bury you in legal fees until you go bankrupt"). But has there been (or is there projected to be) anything that says "Manafort set up a metting where X,Y,Z happened and Russia was paid to turn the election? Frankly, I'm more concerned with what I saw (and have seen) the FBI *admit to* (!?!) over the last couple of months than anything about shady political operatives. But I fully admit that I could be missing something...
Flynn lied repeatedly to the FBI. You can't believe that the stolen Democratic e-mails didn't influence the election. Can you prove conclusively that they didn't change the outcome? Of course not, but you can say in all probability that they turned to results from Hillary to Trump. And who do you think stole the e-mails? I think I know, I think I know.
I absolutely can believe that. I cannot say "in all probability" they turned the results, and I think that if Mueller could, we wouldn't be 2 years into a Trump presidency. And which emails? The ones that were on an unsecured server in violation of multiple security regulations? Or the ones that were hacked by wikileaks and made public? Or the ones that Comey said were "gross negligence"? Or the ones that showed illegal activity by the DNC? Or...? Put a different way...if there was some person's action that caused a nefarious other country to tip the election, wouldn't you be looking at that person? What the hell does Flynn or Manafort or Stone (or, frankly, Trump) have to do with Russia stealing emails that were stolen in JULY OF 2014! I'll give you 5 guesses...who do you think stole the emails?
I agree. It's like getting Al Capone for not paying income tax, after they couldn't do so for anything else. Or, Clinton's Whitewater investment turned out sterling, so they manipulated it into protecting his girlfriend. That's like pretending to investigate Russia connections, then putting Trump on the stand about Stormy Daniels. This is how the evil legal system works. Overpaid lawyers use bullshit ancillary charges after the pretend charge, the one anyone cares about, turns out to be trivial or nonexistent. The wars you fight are to violently install this "freedom" system into countries which want to do things their traditional ways.
Whether or not the winner of the election was changed is unknowable and thus not the subject of the investigation. Whether Americans conspired with foreigners in an attempt to influence the election results is the question at hand. I suspect you know the answer to these questions, but I'll play along: There's never been any evidence that those were hacked. I believe you mean the ones that were hacked by russians and given to Wikileaks to make public? Yes, those ones. Aren't those the same ones as the first batch above? The ones that weren't hacked? Illegal activity? But yes, DNC emails were part of the second batch above. July of 2014?? What emails are you talking about? Both the DNC and Podesta hacks were in the spring of 2016. Nobody, Russians, Nobody, Russians, and I don't know which emails you are talking about, respectively. barfo
That's not the purpose of the case, of course. But yes, there are. A couple of dozen Russians have been indicted. Uh, what? What significant legal fees has he incurred? He pled guilty to one count and has been cooperating. Certainly the outlines of a conspiracy case are in view. Whether or not it will be brought, and who will be charged, if and when it is, is a matter of speculation. If you haven't been following closely (reading all of the court filings) then you likely are missing a lot. But, even if you do read them all, the full answers to your questions are not yet visible. barfo
>>> Believe your instincts, they are and assest. >>> No, I think you have it. Not sure as many of them will go to jail as they should. But clean out at the FBI and Justice is due.
Russia stole the e-mails according to all of our security agencies. They then gave them to Wikileaks who colluded with Trump and his minions to sway the election. Putin and his team of hacks are known to have been celebrating the election and their part in it. Mueller hasn't gone after Trump because he believes the Constitution gives no one the authority to convict a sitting President.
I think a number of people will be going to jail for perjury and its going to be a refreshing form of bi-particianship[! There's been a whole lot of lying going on and always has been but nowadays there is no margin for error regardless what side your on. They will be both male and female too!
“You can’t prove conclusively that Russia did or didn't influence the outcome of the election, so that means they did.” -Someone on a basketball forum
