Notice More US school-age children die from guns than on-duty US police or global military fatalities

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  1. dviss1

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    More US school-age children die from guns than on-duty US police or global military fatalities, study finds

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    T-shirts representing teen victims of gun violence decorate a fence on February 14, 2019, at Bethesda-Chevy Chase High School in Bethesda, Maryland.
    (CNN)Gun deaths of school-age children in the United States have increased at an alarming rate, with 38,942 fatalities among 5- to 18-year-olds from 1999 to 2017, according to a new study by Florida Atlantic University's Schmidt College of Medicine.


    Indeed, spikes in gun deaths over the past decade amount to epidemics, researchers said.
    "It is sobering that in 2017, there were 144 police officers who died in the line of duty and about 1,000 active duty military throughout the world who died, whereas 2,462 school-age children were killed by firearms," said Dr. Charles Hennekens, the study's senior author and an academic adviser at the medical college.
    The study, to be published in the American Journal of Medicine, found that children are being gunned down in staggering numbers, with the death rate six to nine times higher than other developed nations.


    The gun deaths included 6,464 children between the ages of 5 and 14 years old (an average of 340 deaths per year), and 32,478 deaths in children between 15 and 18years old (an average of 2,050 deaths per year), according to the study.
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    Maximilian Steubl of Churchill High School in Potomac, Maryland, participates in a gun control rally on March 14, 2019 on Capitol Hill in Washington.

    Of the deaths, 86% involved boys, the study found. Black children accounted for 41% of those killed, though in recent years they've comprised just 14% of the US population, US census data show.
    "Among blacks, the annual average percent change of 9.5% for firearm-related mortality among 5 to 14-year-olds from 2013 to 2017 exceeded the 7.8% for overall deaths among 15 to 24-year-olds during the early years of the human immunodeficiency virus epidemic from 1987 to 1995," the study said.
    The research should have public policy implications, Hennekens said.
    "We need more analytic studies on this, but in the meanwhile, we believe that trying to combat the epidemic of homicide due to firearms without addressing firearms is like combating the epidemic of lung cancer due to cigarettes without combating cigarettes," he said.
    "To me, it's tragic that this is going on."

    Racial inequities have emerged, study finds
    Black children between 5 and 14 years old began to experience statistically significant increases in gun deaths in 2013, the study found. And from 2013 to 2017, racial inequalitiesin firearm deaths between blacks and whites jumped significantly.
    The study found these listed causes of death among the children: 61% from assault; 32% from suicide; 5% accidental; and 2% undetermined.
    In the 5-to-14-year-old age group, accidents accounted for 12.8% of cases (830 deaths); suicide, 29.6% cases (1,912 deaths); assault, 54.8% cases (3,545 deaths); and undetermined, 2.7% (177 deaths), according to the study.

    The study used data from the Multiple Cause of Death files of the US National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS).
    The researchers found statistically significant increases in gun deaths beginning in 2009, with what they termed an epidemic among 5- to 14-year-olds. A second epidemic, beginning in 2014, involved those in the 15-to-18-year-old age group.
    The epidemics continued through 2017, the most recent year of available US mortality data.
    The study said the epidemic poses clinical, public health and policy challenges. It singled out the 1996 Dickey Amendment as a major factor prohibiting analytic studies on the issue.
    In 1996, Congress removed $2.6 million -- the amount the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention spent on gun research the year prior -- from the CDC's budget and passed the so-called Dickey Amendment, named after late Republican Rep. Jay Dickey of Arkansas. Critics said the amendment ultimately led to the CDC halting gun violence research.
    A study last year in the New England Journal of Medicine found that death by gunshot was the second-highest cause of death in the United States in 2016 among children and adolescents, ages 1 to 19.
    The United States led the world in 2016 in the rate of firearm deaths in youth among countries with available data. The rate in the US was 36.5 times higher than in a dozen comparable high-income countries around the world; the rate of firearm deaths was five times as high compared with a sampling of low- to middle-income countries.
     
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    Must be fake news though...
     
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    Yes but how many thousands of lives were saved by all the good guys with guns? I’m guessing tens of people
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I guess you can call me an insensitive asshole, but a few thousand children in a country with 320+ million is not an epidemic. It's sad, and in many cases it's preventable, but it is not an epidemic.

    People die every day from any number of reasons. People are murdered every day. People die by accident every day. People commit suicide every day. It's all tragic. The method is not the issue. The root cause of the event is the issue. You're going to have a hard time convincing me otherwise.

    Address the cause. Not the method or the tool.
     
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    Fine. How about address it all? Are Republicans- who are against gun control, all-in on the root cause : mental health? Willing to spend the money there? What do they want to do about it? Other than arming teachers which is the most asinine solution, I haven’t heard.
     
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    I think the two that really need to be focused on are the suicide deaths and the accidents. Those are both preventable.

    Assaults is another story completely. Much more complicated. But accidents and suicides are both something that I think we should be focusing in on. I'm not at all against spending money to help with mental health. It's a huge huge issue in the US.
     
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    Republicans don't want gun control, and they don't want to spend on social safety net programs either.

    So nothing at all is going to happen here until/unless they have no longer have the power to block those things.

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    Exactly. There is zero desire to fix the problem. Incredible.
     
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    In many cases, shooting deaths have been prevented already. At my stepdaughters school there was someone threatening mass shootings, writing threats in the boys bathrooms. It got progressively worse and then spread to several schools. Some observant students and faculty figured out who the culprit was and that there were also copycat culprits. the copycats most likely weren't real threats but the boy who was the main instigator was putting together his small arsenal and had dozens of pages of detailed plans written out. A shooting was very likely averted.

    If that incident was preventable, what aren't others? Simply because you are afraid to open up the possibility that additional firearm restrictions could be one likely course of action. We should work on preventing accidents (and we do) and we should work on preventing suicides (and we do). We can do better at both, but that doesn't preclude restricting gun violence either. These are not either/or issues. We should work as a society on correcting all the societal problems that we can.

    Can we work on drunk driving and cancer but not forest fires? Working on one issue has no bearing on working on the other issues. You just don't want to work on preventing mass shootings.
     
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    Additionally, the casualties are far greater than the 613 killed in 2018. The casualties include everyone injured, everyone who has lost a loved one, most who have lost a classmate and many who are fearful of going to school because of threats and past slayings. The police, the hospitals, the cities, the schools are constantly affected. Having to install metal detectors and higher additional guards and social workers. Kids skipping classes and parents keeping their kids out of school during time of threats. All real and common results that fall well outside of the 613 murdered.

    This is not just 613 out of 320,000,000. It affects most kids in America to some degree. They all have to learn what to do when there's an active shooter and it needs to be drilled into them over and over. All of this plays a role on the psyche of youth today. All of it plays a role of the psyche of parents today. To discount its importance and suggest we do nothing is total neglect.
     
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    If that.
     
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    Well said, as usual.
     
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    Think of the fear it instills in children, think of the fear it instills in parents, think of the fear it instills in teachers, think of the disgust it instills in the rest of us. Think of these things if you are not willing to think of the dead and injured children.
    We will spend Millions guarding against voter fraud which affects less people than you can count on the fingers of two hands and yet we are not willing to spend the same Millions protecting our children effectively. Insanity, where are our priorities?
     
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    Address anything that gets the job done and that includes the 'tool'.
     
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    It's a national disgrace. Not only does America not spend enough to make sure that our country's school systems have enough money to run properly, we can't even ensure that our children can go to school in a relatively safe environment.

    This is a national safety crisis, not just in schools but all across America. Our governments inaction on the matter shows how little they give a crap about Americans lives.
     
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    I'm REALLY tired of you using the entire US population to skirt issues... Frankly it's bullshit.
     
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    Just stop. Really...

    You've said this before and again aren't ready to do ANYTHING.

    Are we going to take guns away as suicide prevention?? Because that's what is used most in suicide attempts.

    If you are ready to kill yourself then you are mentally ill.

    Again, you have NOTHING about taking guns away from the mentally ill.. Know why??

    Gun nuts are mentally ill that's why...
     
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    40% of those killed are black kids. Something must be done in that community.

    1/3 of deaths are suicides too.
     
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    I have no idea if that stat is accurate or not. But lets say it is. "black communities" - maybe we should make sure they have great schools and all of the basic fundamental rights that a human fucking being deserve. Instead we let many of these communities rot away and give them 'thoughts and prayers' when some shit happens. F thoughts and prayers. Give them opportunity.
     
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    Is 'that community' different than the community you belong to? How would you describe the community you consider yourself a member of?

    Maybe something needs to be done in the suicide community?

    barfo
     
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