OFFICIAL Around The NBA Thread...... August

One other eerie similarity between those two shots...



FUCK HOUSTON!!!!!


BNM

 

Yeah..I went with dad several times when the Coliseum was new.

 

Analytics arent subjective, dont age, and cant be easily obscured.

 

The problem with analytics is that there are many things that it is hard to take into account numerically. They don’t do a good job accounting for schemes, it doesn’t know what a coach asked a player to do. I think analytics are a great tool, but when it comes to sports there’s almost always more to the story. Like PER36 minute stats are kind of a joke to me. ML this year had one of the best PER’s on the team. It doesn’t take into account he played almost all garbage time minutes. I know there are better stats that’s just an example. It’s also hard to compare different eras and rules and how that effects the advanced statistics of older players.

This isn’t an anti-analytic post, this is just that I think numbers while important almost never tell the whole story on a basketball players impact.

 

You know me River'... the Lard works in mysterious ways...

 

Why are Per 36 minutes a joke? With them you're able to compare players on a production per minute basis. Of course numbers dont tell the whome story... Obviously sample size matters and stats need context, I just hate when people provide their context and opinion, then denounce stats because it's contradictory, while trying to give their reasoning in a way that's obviously BS, or by claiming stats are meaningless, as if their opinion is the thing with valid parameters for observation...

PER is an overrated stat, as it takes into account mostly offensive production, and simply values the stuffing of raw stats. Meyers was very efficient in such a small sample size last year that it was meaningless. In that situation, the statistic is undersampled so it's arbitrary, so context is more valuable

In this case, you're talking about a carefully crafted stat that accounts for multiple different factors, thats valid base off sample size, that's consistent over different situations, that's also consistent with popular opinion (i.e. popular context). The argument is "I saw him play, more than you did, so I'm right" combined with the "stats don't matter" argument combined with trying to use raw individual 1v1 game stats at the same time doesn't make sense.

 

A lot of the time PER is used to say some guy is really good off of small sample sizes vs second or third unit players. Or doesn’t take into account that a player is a “star” and has to play against the best defenders or double teams every night.
Sure like all stats they have some value, I just hate when someone tells me oh we should go get memphis’ third string center because he had a great PER (that was a make believe scenario) but that ‘kind’ of thing happens.

Well seeing a guy play is really important to knowing how good a player is. Honestly I’d want my GM to do a lot of both analytics and watching.

I’m not arguing that stats don’t matter, or analytics don’t matter. I just think there’s more to the story than that.
Here’s an example I think Dames defense has always gotten criticized as being worse than it is in reality and part of that is scheme. The scheme has their guard constantly behind the play which means that Dame and CJ are both always a step behind. The idea is the big will pick them up in the paint and with Nurkic or Zach that works ok from a team defense POV, but the analytics show them as bad defenders. Most people point to this year as Dame getting a lot better on defense, but I think that started last year and it just didn’t show up until they had Nurk, they hadn’t had a good defensive big since ROLO.

 

Dames DBPM improved a lot this season..

 

I wasn't talking about you. My whole post was saying that the strongest arguments involved proper context and stats.

 

And they were from the same spot on the floor haha

 

Yes they are.

 

Isaiah to Portland confirmed league Source tell Labinot41

 

I read this three times trying to understand that stat line. Only to realize it was a date.

 

Can we fix the thread title? It's killing me. @PtldPlatypus?

 

Nurkic gets a vote!

 

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