President Thibs! Thibodeau as signs as coach/president of the Timberwolves

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  1. kukoc4ever

    kukoc4ever Let's win a ring! Staff Member Moderator

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    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...gree-hire-tom-thibodeau-coach-scott-layden-gm

    Wow, Thibs is president of a NBA franchise.

    He outranks Gar in the NBA pecking order by a mile at this point.

    He's the same level as Paxson. Except Thibs got his job based on merit.

    And Thibs will sack up and coach the team, not hide in a skybox and have a Gar proxy and a coach as fall guys to take the heat if things go south.

    Congrats to Thibs. The Bulls org really dicked him over and he has more than landed on his feet.

    The Bulls went from the 3 seed last season at this time with Thibs coaching to being out of the playoffs without him, and now he's the president of an up and coming young team with a boatload of talent. Good for him!

    The bad times continue for us Bulls fans under Paxson sadly. :(
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Paxson is VP.

    Minny is going to be a very interesting team to watch. They've got some serious talent and a top 3 coach in the NBA.
     
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    Congrats to Thibs.

    Yes his team will be enjoyable to watch.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Sadly, if it were up to me, after seeing him win and how he did it with putrid personnel moves, he would have gotten that deal here.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    But organizations win championships! Not coaches and players.

    :smiley-pat:
     
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    kukoc4ever Let's win a ring! Staff Member Moderator

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    Dump GarPax / keep Thibs would have worked for me.
     
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    Bingo.

    No more, "we have enough to win." Instead, "I can assure we have enough to win."
     
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    Works for me now.
     
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    First thought: Glad to see Thibs get another chance.

    Second thought: He gets to ruin the careers of two more should be hall of famers!
     
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    How many hall of gamers in the Paxson years?

    Thibs seems to have turned guys into much better players. Noah, Taj, Butler. And DRose as MVP.

    The hall of famers play huge minutes. LeBron, for example, has AVERAGED 39+ for his career. Bird, Jordan, Pippen, Kareem, Magic, etc., too.

    I don't buy the smear. Seen it, won't be fooled by it.
     
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    kukoc4ever Let's win a ring! Staff Member Moderator

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    Not just another chance, he gets a chance to be president of an entire organization.

    Or make them a lot of money and get them to points where they can win MVPs and make all-NBA 1st teams and be parts of elite NBA units.

    In this GarPax era there is plenty of rest, especially during playoff time.
     
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    I'll be curious to see if the deals for SVG and Thibs become the new norm for in-demand coaches that have the clout to get offers from multiple teams.

    The big issue is whether or not they can keep a clear enough head to make farsighted moves that sacrifice the present for a better future. That's always been the case for a GM/coach divide, since the two roles naturally require a different time preference. But you get lower chances of cohesive coordination when you have two cooks in the kitchen.

    This'll either be the best thing that ever happened to Thibs or his undoing. I'm not sure which one it is yet, but I'll be curious to find out.
     
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    kukoc4ever Let's win a ring! Staff Member Moderator

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    He very well could be a great coach and a terrible team president.
     
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    I think the reason he's not GM is because he doesn't want to deal with the contract details and that sort of thing. He will get final word on personnel decisions, which is ideal.
     
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    I like the Spurs/Pistons/TWolves model. It's always bothered me that a key player could get a good head coach fired. With this unified structure, if a star player doesn't want to play for a head coach, the player packs his bags. Yeah, I like it.

    Will this become the new trend? Well, the success of Popovich and the Spurs didn't create a trend...Popovich was viewed as the exception. It'll depend on how well SVG and Thibodeau do.

    Congrats to Thibodeau and except where the TWolves interests conflict with the Bulls interests, I wish him well.
     
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    Yeah, I think this is the big risk with giving Thibs this kind of authority. I'd be surprised if he didn't do very well there his first few years because of the talent they have, but he might eat his own seed corn with all the rope he's been given.

    Or maybe not. Thibs is a smart guy and he seems to have a good grasp of how to balance the competing variables that go into winning.....this talent might apply to his personnel strategy as well.

    My impression of Scott Layden is that he's very well connected around the league and ought to be able to carry enough authority that his opinion would carry sufficient weight with Thibs to prevent him from destroying himself if the situation arose.
     
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    I listened to a podcast with SVG after he got the Detroit deal and when asked about the responsibilities of being both coach and GM he quickly pointed out that he'd spend all his time coaching and the day-to-day responsibilities of GMing, scouting, etc were outsourced to other people in the organization. His role as GM meant that he'd have final say-so over personnel decisions, not that he'd actively wear both hats.

    I'd be shocked if the Thibs deal wasn't similar, especially since the deal was arranged through the same consulting agency and that SVG and Thibs probably know each other fairly well through JVG.
     
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    kukoc4ever Let's win a ring! Staff Member Moderator

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    Anytime you take on something new there is risk. He's a highly competent dude that knows how to create a culture of winning, hard work and accountability.

    I'd rather him as president / coach of the Bulls with a GM of his choosing than our current GarPaxBerg situation.

    Time will tell.
     
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    I'm happy for Thibs, and I wish him the best.

    Someone said that he and Towns may be another Popovich/Duncan style combo.

    That'd be great for the league.

    (And he's already called out Wiggens on his defense! This will be an intriguing team to watch develop and grow.)
     
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