SF Giants 2011 Salaries and Going Forward

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  1. 3RA1N1AC

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    SF Giants 2011 Salaries and Going Forward



    The Giants currently have the 8th highest payroll in the league. Flush of the world series victory, and increased ticket/merch sales, they are rolling in the dough. I woyuld like these good times to last forever, but sometimes it doesnt work so hot. Next season we have a few guys coming off the books, and without further ado, the 2011 SF Giants salaries. (all numbers are in MILLIONS of dollars)



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    I have made educated guesses on a few guys here and left some others off (Billol Hallol) but this is very close to what we are dealing with here.

    A couple things smack me in the face...Barry Zito 18.5 million...Aaron Rowand 13.6 million...Aubrey Huff 10 million...these contracts suck, but alas, they are signed, and arent going away, best to live with it i guess.

    also, Brandon Crawford is NOT on this list, bear with me on him.

    Like I said, the giants have money right now, and thank god, because this roster is about to get EXPENSIVE...heres a look at my best guesses for the arbitration cases this offseason, going into 2012

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    My arbitration estimates have been highlighted in PINK

    I have Timmy slotted in at 20 million, seems likely to be around there, although he might sign a longer term deal, and if so, i imagine it would be around the 20 million mark anyways.

    I have Jonathan Sanchez slotted in at around 7 million...this one was tough, i think the giants actually deal him this offseason before he starts to get too expensive, in that case, drop the 7 million off the team total at the bottom.

    The rest of the gang i have fairly generic guesses for, might be off a million one way or the other, but i think the total will be around what i have down, it will be nice for Panda to get a little money in his pocket too!

    I have the giants not offering deals to Tehada, Burrell, Derosa, and Fontenot, POSSIBLY offering cheap deals to Ross and mota, and them probably trying to bring Lopez back, but he might be too expensive

    As you can see, this puts us at around the 2011 payroll already (no thanks to zitorowandhuff) and might not leave us alot of flexibility...that would leave under contract:

    SP
    Timmy
    Cain
    Madbum
    Zito
    Vogelsong
    Sanchez (maybe)

    RP
    Brian Wilson
    casilla
    ramon ramirez
    sergio romo
    dan runzler

    OF
    Aaron Rowand
    Andres Torres
    Nate Schierholtz

    IF
    1b Aubrey Huff
    1b Brandon Belt
    2b Freddy Sanchez
    3b Pablo Sandoval

    C
    Buster Posey

    thats 19 players, we need 6 more to fill the roster

    I would guess we bring back Javier Lopez at around 4 million to round out the pitchers.

    I would guess we bring up either Crawford or Adrianza to play SS

    The last 4 players? likely a middle infielder, 2 outfielders and a backup catcher, take your freaking guess as to who those guys will be.

    so

    Basically, we are already at or near our payroll limit for next year just with arbitration cases, and likely will not have alot of money left for free agents.

    count on Jonathan Sanchez getting moved, and us spending his money on a shortstop.

    thoughts?
     
  2. Run BJM

    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Great post. Looking to the farm, you may be able to add Hector Sanchez to the roster for next season. He just got called up and if he does decently I would think he would make the team given that Posey may not be ready to play at the start of next season and when he gets back they may give him a lot of days at 1B. And if you're assuming Huff and Posey will get a lot of action at 1B then Belt will likely be an almost-full-time LF.

    And I would think Crawford is a lock to make the team. They're not going to spend on a FA SS given the financial situation you just presented.

    Outside of that the only other realistic options from the farm are Burriss and Ford. At least one will be on the team just for pinch running purposes. Ford is an unstoppable stealing machine and a hell of a weapon at the end of a game given our tendency to be in very close games. Burriss can give mediocre defense at all IF positions and he can probably swing the bat a little better. Pretty solid base stealer but not on Ford's level.

    This may depend largely on whether they bring Fontenot back. It will be interesting to see whether they put the money down for guys like Lopez and Fontenot. IMO you gotta keep Lopez. Let Ramirez/Casilla walk if thats what it takes. I think Fontenot is a pretty nice backup player and lefty bat off the bench. The utility man role is particularly important to me because Franchez is so injury prone. If his price tag isn't completely insane I'd like to keep him instead of relying on Burriss or a cheapo option like Bill Hall.

    Ross certainly seems like the odd man out unless he takes a big paycut. Maybe if Schierholtz comes back down to earth we could get more desperate for him but given his salary, Nate possibly putting it all together, and a logjam at 1B forcing Belt to LF, he looks like the obvious candidate to be let go.

    I'm still a believer in Sanchez to an extent but business-wise he does seem like a good candidate to get dumped. I think his wildness blinds people to the fact that he produces pretty good results. He was probably the worst of the big 4 that won us the WS last season BUT I am of the belief that I'd rather have the wild pitcher with NASTY stuff than a softballer with good command (a la Zito) in the playoffs. Vogey looks like he may take that #4 spot this season but I am still being cautiously pessimistic with him and thinking that at any moment he could return to looking like a minor leaguer. Good left handed pitchers are a commodity. Sanchez is no ace but overall hes a solid SP and I'd be very, VERY careful about assuming that Vogey and Zito will continue to pitch great and be a guy you want in your big 4 going up against the Phils' or Braves' big 4.

    The timing of a Sanchez trade is interesting though. What happens to Sanchez' trade value if you remove him from the playoff rotation and put Vogelsong in? The whole Zito-isn't-on-the-playoff-roster story from last season got a lot of publicity. Sanchez' value isn't at its best now either though. I tend to think Sabes won't move him unless he gets a good deal. And good deals for Sanchez may not come this offseason. It only takes one team desperate for pitching to make that deal though...
     
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    thanks for the reply. i heard about hector sanchez being called up, seems strange to say the least...max ramirez would seem to be the player more abe to contribute right away, and we are in a pennant run here...strange indeed. and burrell going to the DL to make room for him means we are carrying 3 catchers, which is also a head scratcher...my guess is that we dfa stewart, and bring up belt until burrell is ready to go, and then...???? idk, it would be soooo much easier if huff didnt have a shiny new large contract

    i think right now that jsanchez is probably our 6th best starter...whether that is going to be true going forward remains to be seen, but we could likely trade him for a bat, and not miss a beat...if vogelsong regresses to a 4.00 ERA he will be in sanchez territory, so while we are lucky to have his as he is now, even if he falters we shouldnt see too large of a drop off. I have NO DOUBT that we could deal sanchez to the yankees or red sox for a nice prospect probably tomorrow, their starters are a steaming pile, and neither have a decent #4 guy for the playoff push.

    i also like fontenot for what he is, a bench guy whom you can pencil in for a .700 ops and solid defense at 3 positions, if we can bring him back for 1-2 million its a no brainer.

    i also think lopez is crucial to this team (no matter how absurdly bochy continues to use him) and would love to bring him back, i just think he might get a stupid offer from a big market and we shouldnt match a 4year/22 million or so

    i kinda got off track with my op, but i wanted to talk about payroll flexibility going forward, i think that the giants should be able to keep pushing up payroll with this added revenue, and with rowand/huff/zito/derosa/ross/tehada coming off the books in the coming years...id really like the giants to make a small splash in free agency this offseason, my dream scenario is the giants brass stepping up with a big offer to reyes or fielder, so we can score some damn runs while we still have this amazing pitching staff
     
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    The payroll seems pretty damn stretched out as it is. I think there's room to retain most of our top talent and maybe make another mid-range DeRosa/Tejada type of signing (I'm talking about money not production LOL). Landing a Fielder or Reyes puts us legitimately into Yankees/Red Sox territory. Which is nice. I just don't think its that realistic.

    Also I've been hearing a lot about Sabean's philosophy on the radio lately. A big part of that is not going out and dropping a 120 mil contract on the flavor of the month FA every other year. I think they might make that deal once or twice a decade but I don't really see this as the time to do it with a lot of cheap young players looking to get paid over the next couple of years. Maybe after 2012 after you Rowand, Huff, and Sanchez come off the books.

    With a lot of raises due it pretty much negates the savings we get from Tejada, DeRosa, Ross, Burrell. I think its safe to say the G's are still making bank but I don't know that its enough to warrant a big time FA signing. Even if it is I'm sure the G's want to wait a few years to see if Giants-mania persists beyond this WS team.

    Is Max Ramirez the guy Hector Sanchez supplanted in AAA? I know nothing about him but it seems like certain AAA guys really get the shaft from the organization. What else does Pill have to do to get a call up? Hes been taking for a few years in AAA with no love from the G's. Now people talk about how he doesn't have as much potential as some of these other guys. I reckon thats the deal with the H. Sanchez situation. Sanchez has big potential so they want to see what they've got. I read that Bochy says the AAA manager said Sanchez' defense is good and Boch thinks his bat would work in the big leagues. Also if teams are holding out in negotiations to trade for a C this makes us look less desperate.

    Can the guy really be much worse than Whiteside/Stewart?

    Disagree about J. Sanchez. Hes very up and down but I just will not believe that the Zito we've seen the last two starts is the new Zito. Sanchez on a horrid day is still better than most of Zito's outings as a G. Hard to make a case that Sanchez is better than any of the other 4 though.

    That would suck if Lopez got a big deal like that. We'd probably have to let him go. Affeldt is a big step down from Lopez as far as lefty specialists go.
     
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    Zito proving my point tonight. When hes bad it looks like hes pitching batting practice to the other team. Sanchez is pretty up and down but even when hes at his worst he gives you a better chance of winning. If he gets the unusually high walk rate down (unusually high even for him) then he's easily better than Zito IMO. Like I said, it would be hard to argue hes better than any of our other 4 SP but down the stretch I think he'll give you a better chance to win in his starts than Zito would.
     
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    yeah i agree, zito is too inconsistent to be relied on, but sanchez has had the same problems too, basically, 4 great pitchers, and 2 average ones, not the worst problem in the world...sanchez having the ability to get strikeouts helps him get out of alot of jams though, he seems to thrive whit runners on base, but then again, he seems to falter in big games ala zito...

    basically, we are stuck with zito, so i think we might as well trade sanchez for a bat if we can, or figure out the best option going forward this offseason
     
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    bump

    affeldt coming back wasnt even on my radar
     

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