I say it again and again. Since ET's return Shabazz has been relegated to spot minutes. This is hurting our chances. Almost every time we play just one guard we're losing. ET is a SF, Crabbe is a SF, playing both of them with just one of Dame or CJ is simply not working. We need to play 2 of Dame, CJ and Napier throughout the game or we don't have much chance. Even the game in Miami we won because Dame was exceptional, we can't count on that. We need Shabazz as the 3rd guard, there's no other way
Bazz is done playing the minutes he has because Turner the 70 Million dollar man is cleared to play Sometimes in the NBA your salary dictates if you play or not
If you look up his efficiency (specifically plus-minus) as a SG alongside either Dame or CJ and as a SF alongside both Dame and CJ or one of them and Napier, I guarantee you he's much more efficient as a SF. Give him and Turner less minutes but play them at SF where they can excell and as a team we'd be that much better
Ok but that's because when he's playing with Turner and just one guard they count him as the SF. I'm talking the difference between having two guards (Dame, CJ or Napier) with Crabbe or Turner as SF and having just one guard with Crabbe and Turner. I'm saying the first lineup is much more effective
Ok, because 82games count Turner at the 2 and Crabbe at the 3 when both are playing, thus making the previous post by platypus irrelevent to my idea, here's Turner's numbers, by position. http://www.82games.com/1617/16POR6.HTM 28% of the minutes he's at the 2 where he's a -180. 11% of the minutes he's at the 3, where he's a +2
Tuner is better then Shabazz so he is taking his playing time. I'd give Turner a few games before trying to put the blame squarely on his shoulders, guy just came back from injury and our offensive flow is playing out differently then before he was injured. I do like Shabazz but he shouldn't' be getting more then 8m a game unless Dame is injured.
I didn't say Turner was no good, I'm saying he's being misused, the same way that Crabbe is. No matter who you consider the 2 and who is the 3, the lineup where they play the 2/3 with just one guard (usually either Lillard or McCollum) is absolutely terrible. They should be backing up each other at the 3 or playing together at the 3/4 but no matter how you turn it, when we play just 1 of Dame, CJ and Napier we lose and we lose bad
The difference isn't what position Turner is playing, it's who he's playing with. When he plays with the starters (aka: our best players), he plays the 3 and that's reflected in the +2 net points you mentioned at 82games.com. BNM
Maybe but it still shows you that playing one of Dame or CJ with Turner and Crabbe simply isn't working. Furthermore, Napier has a higher net +/- than anyone with a real sample size besides Nurkic - http://www.82games.com/1617/1617POR.HTM It's not even debatable that playing Napier when either Dame or CJ are on the bench works better than the Crabbe-Turner lineup
You're only as good as your last bad game...Turner is rusty...Stotts will use Shabazz from time to time
Supporting your point: Turner is -22 in the 58 minutes he's played since he got back. Napier is +29 in the 111 minutes he's played over the past ten games.
Once again I'm not arguing Turner isn't good, I'm saying Crabbe+Turner at the 2-3 is setting him up for failure. This lineup never works. Most of Turner's minutes he plays this lineup and it's not just isn't working, it's a disaster. The Turner-Crabbe lineup (unless they're playing with 2 real guards) is such a failure that if we continue to use it we have no chance. During Turner's injury Shabazz got major minutes and we won most games. Turner is a SF, Crabbe is a SF. Only Dame, CJ and Napier should play both guard positions. /Fact
That's very misleading. He's +40 for the season, and if you take out garbage time minutes Napier has a negative +/- for the season. All of these are pure garbage time: Napier-Connaughton-Layman-Vonleh-Leonard +33 Napier-Connaughton-Quarterman-Layman-Vonleh +7 Napier-Crabbe-Layman-Vonleh-Leonard +8 Napier-Quarterman-Layman-Vonleh-Leonard -1 Napier-Connaughton-Crabbe-Layman-Vonleh -5 Total = +42 Take out the garbage time and Napier is -2 for the season. BNM
You keep insisting Crabbe is a SF. He's not. He's a 1-dimensional SG who cannot create for himself or others and plays shitty defense. He sucks, but he sucks less at SG. At SF, he's -148 for the season, At SG, he's "only" -41. Maybe the solution isn't necessarily to play Napier more, maybe the solution is to play Crabbe less. BNM
If you read the previous posts, 82games list him as the SF when he's playing together with Turner at the 2-3, that's why his plus-minus is so bad. If you only consider the minutes he played SF with Dame and CJ or with one of them and Napier, he would have much better numbers, which is my point
