Science Statistical Storylines in VSL 2018: Big Z and WB4ever

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Wizard Mentor, Jul 16, 2018.

  1. Wizard Mentor

    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    13,851
    Likes Received:
    13,649
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master of Xen Foro
    Location:
    La Grande, OR
    Notes: Blazers are currently 5-0 in summer league. Zach Collins has missed 1 game.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    One of the big hopes I have for this upcoming year is improved shooting and an improved defense, especially the latter. In particular, I'm hoping that additional rotation minutes by Collins and Baldwin catapult our defense into the top 5.

    Collins and Baldwin Dominate Defensively (Positional FG% Comparison)
    Ideally, they would be dominating defensively in summer league, but are they? One way to check is to look at the shooting percentages of the opposing starting PGs (who Baldwin starts out guarding, presumably) and starting PFs (for Collins).

    Opposing starting PGs shooting percentage: 9/39 = 23.1%
    Opposing starting PFs shooting percentage (not counting SAS game which Collins missed): 16/43 = 37.2%

    It's likely that SL shooting percentages are lower than regular season percentages, but this feels like domination to me. It's not a shock that we're 5-0.

    The Collins Effect (on Team Defense)
    In the one game Collins missed, SAS shot 47%. In the 4 games Collins has played in: opponents shoot about 36%. Zach is tied for 3rd in Blocks at 3.3 per.

    Baldwin Can Do Anything He Wants To
    In the first game of SL, Baldwin showed that he could score at will, finishing the game shooting 9-13 (69.2%) and going for 20 points. There were questions, at least among s2, whether Baldwin was a "real" PG. From game 2 on, he focused on getting his teammates involved, showing his PG prowess. The result is that he is leading the league in assists (8.4/game). So, he can score when he wants to and he can get assists when he wants. How does he stack up to the other high assist men? WB4's FG% is 54% (after 5 games). The next 5 assist men's FG% are in order: 37%, 30%, 34%, 41%, and 38% (Trae Young). By this measure, he is clearly the best assist man in Vegas.

    Baldwin Dominates Whole Teams
    In the 5 SL games, Baldwin has played 130 minutes. In those minutes, we have outscored opponents by 89 points. On a per game basis, he is averaging 26 mpg and we are outscoring our opponents by 17.8 points in that time. One way to get a feel for what these numbers mean: For every 10 minutes Baldwin is in a game, we go on a 7-0 run.

    Baldwin hasn't had a bad game yet. If this continues, only media bias will keep him from being the MVP of SL.
    #GoBlazers
     
  2. Wizard Mentor

    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    13,851
    Likes Received:
    13,649
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master of Xen Foro
    Location:
    La Grande, OR
    Baldwin Even Dominates his Own Team
    The Blazers have outscored their opponents by a whopping 79 points in 5 games, which is great! But..... as discussed above we've outscored the other teams by 89 when Baldwin plays. i.e.

    Baldwin on floor for Blazers: +89 in 130 minutes.
    Baldwin NOT on floor for Blazers: -10 in 70 minutes.

    Wow!
     
  3. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    37,541
    Likes Received:
    22,076
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Ballin'
    Cool analysis!

    One slight qualifier: it seems that we're the only team that hasn't started resting players. As the games go on, you see less and less of the "name" players. In some cases (e.g. D'Aaron Fox) teams only played their best players one or two games.

    (I don't care, BTW - I WANT THAT CHAMPIONSHIP! Revenge over the Lakers in the rematch! But voters will probably bear that in mind when they decide MVP.)
     
    Darkwebs and Wizard Mentor like this.
  4. Wizard Mentor

    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    13,851
    Likes Received:
    13,649
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master of Xen Foro
    Location:
    La Grande, OR
    Good observation. I've actually mentioned it twice, but not here. Atlanta played in another SL, so they shut down they're guys very early. Boston did too. However, now that we're down to the final 4, I expect that the remaining teams will actually try to win the championship.
     
  5. e_blazer

    e_blazer Rip City Fan

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    23,273
    Likes Received:
    28,749
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Consultant
    Location:
    Oregon City, OR
    It’s summer league and all of that...BUT Baldwin’s play has been eye-opening. It has me wondering how much better the Blazers might be if Baldwin earns the backup PG spot and CJ just sticks to playing 2G. Not that Baldwin is necessarily a better PG than CJ, but CJ would be able to spend all of his energies in a scoring mentality, plus there’s no arguing that Baldwin is a better defender.
     
  6. Wizard Mentor

    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    13,851
    Likes Received:
    13,649
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master of Xen Foro
    Location:
    La Grande, OR
    I like where your head's at, but I think Baldwin is way better than CJ at running a team. For whatever reason, CJ hasn't figured out drive and dish.
     
  7. riverman

    riverman Writing Team

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2013
    Messages:
    66,380
    Likes Received:
    64,531
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I've said since he got here that CJ is a perfect 6 man...green light scorer...he won't accept that role but it is the role that suits him best...he has that Jamal Crawford, young Jason Terry mindset of scoring in bunches...as it is he'll still start at the 2 and Baldwin will be on court as pg with either Lillard or CJ.
     
  8. Wizard Mentor

    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    13,851
    Likes Received:
    13,649
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master of Xen Foro
    Location:
    La Grande, OR
    Makes sense.

    I'm actually pretty effing excited about a Dame/CJ/Baldwin/Curry guard rotation. Hopefully coach won't mess it up by putting Stauskas in there.
     
    Labinot41, Eastoff and e_blazer like this.
  9. Gronk Brady

    Gronk Brady Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2016
    Messages:
    1,531
    Likes Received:
    1,501
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This is spot on... this is why CJ needs to go... he won’t accept the 6th man role, and even if he did at this point, he is getting paid way too much at 26-30 mil per year for the next 3 seasons
     
  10. tester551

    tester551 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2009
    Messages:
    4,037
    Likes Received:
    3,848
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I think he is....
     
  11. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    56,227
    Likes Received:
    54,026
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    NYstateofmind
    Dame and CJ have their minutes staggered as is. Even if he starts, CJ plays a ton of minutes with the second team. You really care that much about the 5 minutes he starts with Dame in each half?
    Don't think it's even in doubt.
     
    Orion Bailey, Eastoff and hoopsjock like this.
  12. e_blazer

    e_blazer Rip City Fan

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    23,273
    Likes Received:
    28,749
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Consultant
    Location:
    Oregon City, OR
    The only element of doubt I have is that Wade has been passing to guys who can hit ope shots. CJ, noise much.
     
  13. Wizard Mentor

    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    13,851
    Likes Received:
    13,649
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master of Xen Foro
    Location:
    La Grande, OR
    I don't understand why, but I'm OK with you disagreeing with me.
     
  14. Reep

    Reep Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    5,529
    Likes Received:
    3,552
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    South Jordan, UT
    To me it's how your are comparing them. As a pure scorer, CJ is better no doubt. But, if you include defense, running a team, etc., then I would agree that Baldwin appears to be the better player even now. I say "appears" because we need to see what happens in regular season. Also, Baldwin seems to have more honey badger in him--and Blazers need more honey badger.
     
  15. Wizard Mentor

    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    13,851
    Likes Received:
    13,649
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master of Xen Foro
    Location:
    La Grande, OR
    I'm not sure we're communicating. I think CJ is the better player. I just think Baldwin is much better at running the point.
     
  16. Reep

    Reep Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    5,529
    Likes Received:
    3,552
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    South Jordan, UT
    I understand you, was was speaking more generally. We all likely have different views about what "better player" means. CJ and Baldwin are very different players. Which one is better starting for the current roster is not known.
     
  17. Fez Hammersticks

    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    28,908
    Likes Received:
    9,545
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Phone Psychic
    Location:
    The Deep State, US and A.
    Baldwin as a 6th man is how he should be developed.
     
    Darkwebs and dviss1 like this.
  18. Reep

    Reep Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    5,529
    Likes Received:
    3,552
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    South Jordan, UT
    I'm certain that will be the way it goes, and might be best. I'm just curious to see the stats (including plus/minus) of the 5-man lineups with Baldwin playing next to Dame, compared to Baldwin playing next to CJ, compared to Dame and CJ together. It will also be interesting to see number of fast breaks with Baldwin running the point, compared to the others.
     
  19. tester551

    tester551 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2009
    Messages:
    4,037
    Likes Received:
    3,848
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm not disagreeing with you.
    As a PG, I think BIV is better than CJ.

    I was disputing @e_blazer argument where he was saying CJ might be a better PG of the two.
     
    Wizard Mentor likes this.
  20. e_blazer

    e_blazer Rip City Fan

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    23,273
    Likes Received:
    28,749
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Consultant
    Location:
    Oregon City, OR
    I didn't actually say that. I just noted that I wasn't necessarily saying that Baldwin is the better PG. I'd say that Baldwin's summer work would argue that he is superior, but he has to show the ability to play that way against rotation NBA players before I'd be willing to make that call. I'm pretty sure that CJ would put up some pretty incredible numbers against summer league competition.
     

Share This Page