OT The new foul rules

There have been some posts about this already, but it seems important enough to have a thread about. Trae's bitching about it, Kuz likes it - I think it's made the NBA just orders of magnitude more fun to watch. More like soccer, less like American Football, so 100% positive!

 

Okay, I was with you up until that las line. I usually think of soccer as about as exciting as sloth porn, but I have to admit that this play was from the recent Timbers match was pretty impressive:

 

Of course Trae is bitching. He’s a bitch.

 

I think the new foul rules are bullshit because it brings so many more offensive drives and plays into judgement calls when the officials are making a concerted effort to NOT blow their whistles. It was using a double-barrel 12-gauge shotgun on a hummingbird. All the officials had to do was stop calling fouls when guys like Harden or Young so blatantly made non-basketball moves to draw contact.

it has certainly hurt Dame, a ton, and he wasn't one of the guys doing shit like Harden. Dame is absorbing more contact than ever, and he's being bumped off line and physically redirected all the time



what is total bullshit about the way the rules are being interpreted is that Dame's FT rate is 62% of what it was last season. Harden's FT rate is 87% of what it was last season. And we all know Harden was a main target of this rule. Again, these rules are punishing the wrong people

 

So my understanding was the rule change is that unnatural motion by the offensive players that create contact will be ruled an offensive foul. So kicking your leg out. Pump faking then jumping way forward into the defender. I like that. But why does that affect Dame?

Dame draws fouls coming off a screen and then quick stopping to shoot the three then the defender fighting around the screen runs into Dame. Or he gets fouled at the rim. Nothing unnatural there. Why does this hurt Dame?

 

I view baseball as equivalent to soccer in terms of boredom factor. Either one is, IMO, dependent upon being a fan of the team in order to be willing to invest a whole lot of time watching not much happen.

 

I think the refs are still figuring the rule changes out. The link below has video clips of how it’s supposed to work. I agree that there’s a lot of interpretation involved that’s going to lead to a lot of frustrated players and fans.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sp...foul-abnormal-moves/1k3iwiwqplmo9zznivoev48do

 

because the officials are interpenetrating the new rules poorly? ....which could have easily been predicted...and was?

look at this, Dame's rate of FGA's at the rim:



and again, his FT rate progression:



in other words, Dame's FGA at the rim this year are 119% of his career mark, and 137% of his mark last season. Yet, his FT rate is 67% of his career mark and 62% of his mark last season

that those two metrics are headed so dramatically in opposite directions might just be coincidence. But that seems like a mighty tall coincidence considering the rule change and what we've seen so far, this season, in the NBA

by the way, his FTA's/possession are 59% of last season

so I guess the question is, which you kind of already answered, is Dame one of those players who was egregiously using unnatural moves to draw fouls? My answer is no....and that dovetails back to the rule change being a bad one because it was too damn broad and made the officials drastically over-compensate in their judgement calls

 

I like the rule change....hate games played at the free throw line...let em play defense!

 

That's ridiculous. "Soccer" is constant flow. Baseball is 99% waiting for the pitcher to warm up. Baseball is slightly less boring than Cricket, I'll give you that much.

Baseball and American Football seem designed entirely around ad breaks. And in both cases, the actual games are more about the surrounding activities than what's happening on the pitch.

It's interesting that the massive growth of interest in "Soccer" in the US has not been paralleled by a growth in interest in American Football in the rest of the world... because it's a stupid, entirely artificial game. Nobody in a favela in Brazil is going to start a pickup American Football game. Even Rugby, a game invented at a posh private school, is more natural.

 

I'm in favor of the rules even if they hurt Dame, because the games are so much more entertaining.

 

Yeah seems like they are mixing up not calling fouls on abnormal moves with trying to not call as many defensive fouls. However the league average is down 10% to 15%. Nothing like Dame. Dame does hunt for fouls but mostly legally even within the new rules. WWNBA strikes again.

 

Thanks. Not much there that should hurt Dame.

 

if you think 99 percent of baseball is pitchers warming up...you've never watched baseball...it's not Cricket which is the most boring sport on the planet...soccer can be as boring as any sport that ends 0-0 .....just like baseball...a good game is exciting...blowouts are boring....I've seen plenty of boring games in both sports but Cricket is always boring

 

Oh I've watched baseball - a lot more than you've watched cricket, I'd wager. And if forced, I guess I'd watch Baseball rather than "Football".

Also: not to defend Cricket, but there are over a billion fanatic Cricket fans in South Asia. And I guess the Japanese like Baseball.

 

I've watched a lot of rugby and cricket but baseball isn't 99 percent warmups...cricket where the score is 259 to 173? I love rugby though...cricket blows...I wouldn't watch a whole cricket match..ever..Japan and Taiwan are in the world little league baseball championships with Cuba and the US almost every year.....it's big there...I played baseball in Taiwan...won 3 eastern conf championships there..

 

I love the snobbish use of quotes around the word, “soccer”, when the term actually originated in England:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5335799/soccer-word-origin-england/?amp=true

Soccer, or “football”, is certainly “constantly flowing” in that players run up and down the field and people erupt into a frenzy when something almost happens. Actual goals, not so much.

But most of what I said is in jest. What most of the world knows as “football” is a great sport. Its minimal demands in the way of equipment and playing field make it an affordable sport in places where American football equipment would be a prohibitive cost. Still, we tend to enjoy most the games we learn growing up and where we have a known team that we root for. Even though Portland has a team, I don’t have the time or inclination to get involved with it.

 

I have family in New Zealand and Ireland as well as Taiwan....you don't see american football in any of those countries...for 20 years the sports channels I watched in Taiwan showed rugby, cricket, ping pong, squash, dart tournaments, martial arts and bowling mostly...basketball is still big there but NBA was only shown on Sundays when I lived there...soccer you could see daily...same with badminton, billiards, etc...baseball is popular in the Americas and Asia..I'd wager I've seen more Euro sports than you think I have.

 

ping pong rules but it's to fast to enjoy as a spectator sport...