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  1. BlazerBeav

    BlazerBeav Well-Known Member

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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Why would we want scoring from the SF spot? You crazy
     
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    The moral of the story is, Harkless would be an assassin in D'Antoni's offense.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    The moral of the story is, got paid... don't care.
     
  5. KeepOnRollin

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    Compare minutes played for each not games in a season. Of course some (or even most) of the reason Moe wasn't playing minutes was on him. But I like how he is doing again lately. And yes, HOU offense is all about shooting the 3.
     
  6. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Ok sure,

    No Show Moe: 17 made 3FG in 677 minutes played.

    Gerald Green: 21 made 3FG in 122 minutes played.

    Doesn't exactly help Moe's case...

    BNM
     
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    I wasn't expecting it to of course. Just think it is better judge. And the best judge is also to take into account the offenses as well as I mentioned.

    Hey, I know you made up your mind on Moe already but you have to say his games lately have been promising. If nothing else then to boost trade value. So you should be happier then the continual DNPs.

    Personally I would much rather deal ETs albatross of a contract (not that I wouldn't move Moe in the right deals to improve but he is further down in our problem contracts imo).
     
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    But is it really Moe's fault or Neil's?

    Giving big contract and missing on players on value contract.
     
  9. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    It's not like wide open 3s are hard to come by playing for Terry Stotts next to Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum. It got Allen Crabbe $20 million a year. But, you still need to take them and you still need to make them, and that's on Moe.

    Promising? If we ignore his 31 game pout fest and only focus on the 6 games since he's returned to the rotation, he's had exactly one good game - the Laker game where he scored 22 points and 6 rebounds in a win. In the other 5 games, he's averaged 4.2 ppg, 1.4 rpg and shot .381 FG% - which are all worse than his averages over the first 31 games. Why would I find that promising?

    Sure, you dump Turner's contract if you can, but it's ironic you consider Moe's recent play "promising" when it's Turner that's been playing well lately (11.7 ppg, 3.4 rpg on .552 FG%).

    BNM
     
  10. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    How he played last year justified his contract. So when he suddenly regressed this year, I'd say it's his fault.
     
  11. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Its both. Moe was the last one of the five signings Olshey made during the summer of 2016. At the time, compared to the other 4, Moe was considered a bargain.

    The fact that he hasn't lived up to that "bargain" status is completely on Moe. Last year, he was still looking like a bargain, or at least worthy of his contract. This year, he's been a complete no show and that's 100% on him. He has the talent worthy of his contract, but lacks the drive.

    For whatever reason, he's repeating the same patter he established in ORL - two decent seasons, and then falls off a cliff.

    ORL:
    2012-13 PER = 12.5
    2013-14 PER = 11.8
    2014-15 PER = 8.4

    POR:
    2015-16 PER = 13.3
    2016-17 PER = 13.1
    2017-18 PER = 9.2

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    I love how Turner is playing. I posted that in another thread. Build up that trade value.

    We need moves. Not that I expect them to happen until summer but I am all for all players increasing value.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Unfortunately, I doubt if one good game against the worst team in the West has really done much to enhance Moe's value. He's now pushing 25 and words like "potential" and "upside" tend to go from positives to negatives at that point.

    BNM
     
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    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    I'm with you on this one, but to play the devil's advocate, Mo isn't asked (allowed?) to be the Gunning 6th Man in a Harden-less offense. When Dame was out (correlation/causation?) he played pretty well.
     
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    I disagree. If Mo had a go to offensive move he'd be able to use it whenever he wanted to. Unfortunately that isn't the case.

    In Stotts offense, he can shoot and drive as much as he wants, he simply needs to be able to. He can't break his man down and he only scores by cutting to the basket or being wide open for 3.

    Lately he has looked solid in the post but that's not anything we need to feature. I personally like Turner in the post better anyway.
     
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    I think you should change that to wont. Ive seen him get buy, wrap around, break down guys. He can. But will he? Is it a confidence thing?

    He can do it, but will he....
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    No, he literally can't. If a guy is on him the only way he scores is in the post. You can't just give him the ball and tell him to score.
     
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    Ahh I see what you mean.

    Like blowing by a defender from the 3pt line. Okay, understood. Ive seen him work people in the post, but not necessarily leave them in their tracks up top.
     
  19. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    One good game does not == pretty well. Of the six games, he had the one good game against the Lakers (worst team in the West, 2nd worst in the league - I LOVE being able to say that), two meh games and three shitty games. I know the expectations for Moe have fallen off the cliff, but the one good game against the Lakers doesn't correlate with him playing well when Dame is out. He's really not playing any better now that he was when he lost his spot in the rotation.

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    Even worse than that. Not only CAN'T he do straight line drives, he doesn't have a:
    • Ccrossover
    • In and out
    • Behind the back
    • Hesitation
    None of those types of SIMPLE dribbles to beat his man. I've been doing them all since Freshman year. WTF Mo??
     

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