Tracy McGrady or Vince Carter

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Tracy McGrady or Vince Carter?

  1. Tracy McGrady

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  2. Vince Carter

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  1. pegs

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    Look at everything they've done. Recall all of the games that you've watched of each.

    Think about every game winner, great performance, playoffs, effect on teammates, etc.

    Take a look at the stats if you'd like.

    Take everything into account, and please tell me why you picked who you picked. I'm interested to hear [​IMG]
     
  2. dino33

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    While Carter is considered a very very good team-player by many of his teamates, his coach, people that know him, people always critsizes his heart and desire to win.

    T-mac on the other hand, likes the spot-light, likes to be the MAN on the team, and could light it up and dominate a game.


    Early on in their careers:

    T-mac felt he was always under carter and wanted to be the no.1 guy, thats why he wanted to go to orlando, he was originally just a decent role player.

    Carter dominated his rookie year, winning rookie of the year honors and stunned everyone in 2000 with his jaw-dropping performance in the dunk contest. Carter also led a below average Raptors team, to the conference semi's and lost by 1 shot.

    People would always critsize him for attending his graduation ceromony, but thts how Carter is, he's a guy that feels that besides basketball there are several other things that are extremely important to him, for instance Education. In addition, his interview was invalid, as Carter claimed it was heavily edited. Carter then suffered from a serious injury, and while he was getting older he had to change up his game, he became a better shooter, and a better all-around team player.

    T-Mac then flourished to a superstar, very good scorer in Orlando, but would fail badly in the playoffs.

    ......damn Im typing too much.



    let me simplify:

    T-mac is definately a very very good scorer and could light it up. But ultimately he couldnt make it past the first round, considering having such good teamates like Yao Ming and Battier, its definately a failure.


    Carter, although being critisized for not always attacking the basket, he has taken a raptor team, to the semis, single handly resurected the Nets, 04-05 season, and is considered a good role-model and team player.
     
  3. Legacy

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    IMO, Vince has had the better career. Dunk champ, rookie of the year, multiple all star games, multiple first place voting for all star games, a gold medal in the Olympics, and has led his team past the first round with worse teammates than the ones that T-Mac has had.
     
  4. durvasa

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    Tracy or Vince ... but what's the question?

    I'll take Vince in a dunk competition. I'll take Vince is a free throw competition. I'll take Vince in a "who'll play the most games next year?" competition.

    But if I can one or the other for a playoff series, and they're both healthy, then I'll take Tracy every time.

    I guess there's all sorts of stats we could come up with, so I'll start off with this one: Over the last four seasons, T-Mac's W/L record in games he's played in the regular season has been 172-90 (65% Win%). For Vince, in a much weaker conference, it's been 164-150 (53% Win%).
     
  5. JCB

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    Ambiguous poll, pegs. What exactly are you asking? And is neither an option?
     
  6. cpawfan

    cpawfan Monsters do exist

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    Neither is a leader, but TMac is the better player when you factor in defense. Both players can put up tons of pretty stats, but neither has what it takes mentally to be the #1 guy for a championship team.

    Unfortunately, people try to give Vince too much credit for the Nets making the playoffs after the trade that brought him to NJ.
     
  7. cpawfan

    cpawfan Monsters do exist

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    Not true. Kidd fully recovering from his MF surgery was more important to the Nets that season.
     
  8. cpawfan

    cpawfan Monsters do exist

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    What does popularity have to do with this?
     
  9. Legacy

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    Better career? Being popular will make you remembered longer.

    Are you saying that a unhealthy Kidd was the reason the Nets made the playoffs that season?
     
  10. cpawfan

    cpawfan Monsters do exist

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    That has nothing to do with a better career. Vince just has a large fan base.

    No, I'm saying that a healthy Kidd was the primary reason the Nets made the playoffs that season.
     
  11. JCB

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    We don't even know what the question is, so I don't think anyone can answer that.
     
  12. zєяσ

    zєяσ Truth is beautiful

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    Vince has had the better career, but Tmac is more valuable. Both put a lot of effort in games, but Tmac has height and defense on his side imo.

    It's very close though.
     
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    McGrady lead a Yao-less Rockets team to a 22 game winning streak in the west

    Can I see Vince Carter doing that? No

    As of now, McGrady is my pick
     
  14. Legacy

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    Therefore his career would look better since he will be remembered more when he retires than a player with a smaller fan base.
     
  15. Legacy

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    I think the question is who had a better career, or it seems like it when you have to take every thing in account.
     
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    I remember lots of players I'm not a fan of, as do most NBA fans. Your statement makes zero sense.
     
  17. Legacy

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    Say a fan gets into the NBA, when 2 players retire.

    Who will the fan know more about, the more popular player or the less popular player?

    It will make their legacies look even better when they have larger fan bases. Vince will probably be remembered more than T-Mac because of his dunks. NBA fan or not, dunks are entertaining, which has gotten Vince more fans than the early playoff departures of T-Mac.

    Both will be remembered though by die-hard NBA fans, but Vince will probably be remembered more for his explosiveness in his prime.
     
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    T-Mac is one of the most popular players in China. His jersey was #1 in China a few years back. Carter is probably more popular here for the casual fan, but I don't think he's known as globally as McGrady. Although it's not really his fault, McGrady plays with Yao Ming...

    But still, looking at the grand total of things, T-Mac is probably more popular overall, if you consider the population of China, which is like 3 trillion

    Thus you are wrong
     
  19. Legacy

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    I'm not talking about who is known more globally, just in the USA.
     
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    You're looking at USA

    I'm looking global

    Global >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA

    Thus McGrady > Carter

    Thus you are wrong
     

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