Politics Turning GA, NC, NV, and/or PA into victory (Biden vs Trump, 2020 election!)

Debate that all you want. It's not something I'm saying, so your debate has little to do with me. I was just telling you what I think Biden was trying to say. I also said it was wrong and, in a previous post, deeply ignorant.

 

Agree or disagree with what Biden said, i find it pretty funny that bailey is now debating that African American culture and Hispanic culture are different. That's pretty much similar to what Biden said and his opinion was that the hispanics had a more diverse background. I didn't take it as a negative towards blacks as I think black people have a more diverse background than white people. Am I being racist against white people?

 

I get what you’re saying, but at the same time... If Trump said the same stuff that Biden has said over the last like 6 months alone. I dont think many people on the left would be building that same argument. If Trump had played a major role in the crime bill, and taken the same stances on busing and segregation.
Like, at some point, he just is a racist, his history kinda says that... He continues to do say things that are at the very best racially insensitive.
You say he’s ignorant, but many people make the argument that racism is rooted in ignorance...

I understand why people want Trump out of office so bad, and that they’ll settle for Biden. I understand that but seriously I think even just some ‘blank republican’ if he said the same things, and had the same political record on race, I dont think there would be any hesitation just calling them a racist.

Not necessarily by you specifically, I do believe you personally try to be consistant.

 

Why do you speak about things with such authority when you know zero about it? It's obvious that I trudged through it.

 

That's true since most Jamaicans have an abundance of African DNA due to the slavery that built that country.

 

Racism is rooted in ignorance, and I think you can make the argument that Biden is racist, but if I were to make that argument, I'd say he's passively racist--that is, he doesn't intend to be racist, he doesn't bear any ill will towards people on other "races" and ethnicities, but he has a weak understanding of the experiences and needs of minority communities. I don't think the crime bill he championed was intended to target minorities, he just didn't understand the concept of disproportionate impact. And yes, he did support actually racist policies when he was younger.

The difference is that I feel Trump is actively racist today, whereas I don't think Biden is. I tend to call what Biden is "problematic," which is something I've talked about in relation to certain posters' attitudes on this forum--not actively racist, but lacking the requisite awareness. There's a huge difference between being actively racist, which I'd view as malicious, and passively racist or problematic, which I'd view as ignorance or lack of awareness. Biden is the second one, IMO, while Trump is the first one. Biden today I wouldn't trust to write legislation intended to address racial injustice, but I'd expect him to want to address racial injustice and if he has the right people around him, to have a chance to improve things. Trump I'd expect to either not care or actively make things worse for minorities.

 

From Wikipedia:
Ethnic origins

Jamaica's population, 1961–2003

Montego Bay, Jamaica'a second-largest city
Ethnic group % Population
Black or Black Mixed 92.1% 2,661,965
Mixed non-Black 6.1% 176,308
Asian 0.8% 23,122
Other0.4% 11,561
Unspecified 0.7% 20,232
Jamaica's diverse ethnic roots is reflected in the national motto 'Out of Many One People'. Most of the population of 2,812,000 (July 2018 est.) are of African or partially African descent, with many being able to trace their origins to the West African countries of Ghana and Nigeria

 

i get what he was trying to say. But yeah he did not say it right.

 

woudl you consider a passive racist to be an active racist if he is informed of his ignorance but refuses to listen or take heed to the enlightenment other's are trying to instill into the passive racist?

 

in other words, once informed of passive racist behavior, if it continues, becomes active racist behavior.

and those who deny they are a passive racist?

 

I know the origins of many of the Jamaicans as well as other hispanic countries have roots to Africa, but I have never in my 66 years heard a Jamaican referred to as an African, Many white Americans have roots in Europe but we aren't referred to as Europeans or European Americans. Jamaica has it's own culture and traditions.

To be honest, this discussion has wandered so far off due to a poster dragging it out of the subject that we are now discussing Jamaicans.

 

That's a heck of a candidate you got there.

 

Ditto

 

I can't make a blanket statement about that. Sometimes it's not entirely clear and reasonable minds can disagree. I don't think disagreeing over racism automatically makes someone a racist, it's a case-by-case basis to me. I do think that people who don't have the lived experience should be careful and be open-minded when discussing these issues with people who do have that experience, even if they don't agree at the outset.

 

don't vote...it's a waste of time and effort! I read that somewhere.....

 

What's interesting is a lawyer that was handling a lawsuit for trump was also the lawyer that went to Wisconsin to file kanye's papers to be on the Wisconsin ballot. I am shocked.