Two way contracts

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  1. tester551

    tester551 Well-Known Member

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    In all fairness, Portland could cut the 2-way player at any time. We could sign someone right now & still pounce on someone better if they become available in October.

    Granted, there are some potential 'perception' issues with agents - but there's also very little downside for not having at least 1 player signed to a 2-way contract.
     
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    tester551 Well-Known Member

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    Not sure about "more than Bladwin", but these guys are at least in the discussion with Baldwin. Definitely more than Wilcox....

    - Bird (Boston - Unavailable due to draft rights)
    - Blakeney (Chicago)
    - Motley (Dallas)
    - Boucher (GSW)
    - Simmons (Memphis)
    - Niang (Utah)
     
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    Why the fuck aren't you shitting all over Olshey every chance you get? Scalma was once on your small-brained side, but converted to anti-Olshey, like so many of us.

    Just for that, I'll rep every post he has in this thread. Haven't read it.
     
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    For fun, I went through the list. Here are the teams with >15 contracts & potential cuts. There aren't a whole lot of good options there.

    Clippers (2 of the following)

    - Sam Dekker -> Meh
    - Jawun Evans -> Meh
    - Thornwell -> Good target

    Bucks (2 of the following)
    - Maker -> Meh
    - Zeller -> Not eligible
    - Brogdon -> Maybe?
    - Duval - Meh
    - DiVincenzo (why hasnt he been signed yet?)

    Knicks (1 of the following)
    - Kornet -> Meh
    - Dotson -> Maybe?

    Suns (1 of the following)
    - Chriss -> Meh
    - Harrison -> Meh
    - Gary Trent Jr. -> Assigned to wrong team

    Kings (1 of the following)
    - Skal -> Maybe?
    - Davis -> Meh

    Jazz (1 of the following)
    - O'Neale -> Maybe?
    - Stockton -> Meh
     
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    I think Tyrone Wallace is pretty much the only one you could argue for being a better signing than Baldwin if we are talking impact last season. He played 30 games for the Clippers last year and averaged 9.7 points, 3.5 rebounds, and 2.4 assists per game. Baldwin has way more upside though so I'd still take him long term.

    One thing to note is that last summer Olshey mentioned that he wasn't sure if he was even going to use the two-way contracts. There are so many different ways you can use them. Some teams that are rebuilding simply want to have 17 guys on their roster to have as much of a chance as possible to find good young players. Some teams use it as a way to "sign" their 2nd round picks. Other teams use it to supplement needs on the roster. Of course since there are two spots you can use one for a player that could help you that season and one as a developmental spot. This is what I think the Blazers did last year. Wilcox was there if they needed shooting help or had a major wing injury and Baldwin was there for potential talent.

    This year if I had to guess, Olshey is going to use at least one of the spots (if not both) on a big man to have some depth since we are thin up front. An important thing to note is that it's possible several players aren't willing to sign two-way contracts yet. It's not just guys that get cut from other rosters, you also have to look at guys who still think someone is going to offer them more money than the minimum or a two-way. Maybe some of the Blazers targets are guys that might have to settle for a two-way but aren't willing to concede that they aren't good enough for an actual roster yet.
     
  6. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    I'm more of an equal opportunity shitter who prefers to look at the big picture.

    Turner signing:

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    Or much else in the last four years, since that's when the forum software switched from reps to likes.

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    Anyway.

    Here’s another name:

    Eric Moreland- Didn’t know he was a FA. Guess he was cut recently. Think Nerlens Noel, right down to the limitations offensively. But he’s a big time rebounder and shot blocker, and athletic.
     
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    Sounds kind of like Ed Davis, and now I’m sad...
     
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    Yeah there are some similarities. Moreland can pass, has good hands, is better in pick and roll, and is a better athlete though. Probably why I compared him more to a Noel. Worth a look.
     
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    I mean, he's failed to see the court much in Sacramento or Detroit. Since he went to Oregon State a lot of people probably already knew about him. Speaking of Oregon State, Drew Eubanks went undrafted and looked okay in summer league. He should have stayed in school but he might be worth a look.
     
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    pj dozier? i understand we presently have a glut at guard, but things could change.
     
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    Is CJ Wilcox eligible again for 2-way contract?
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    He actually played over 800 minutes for DET last year. He's even less of a scoring threat than Ed, but nearly as good on the boards and twice the shot blocker.

    I'm not sure there is a place in a regular rotation for a defensive specialist power forward in today's NBA, where you want shooting from all players/positions. But, we're not talking about a regular rotation guy here (if we are, Morehead is not that guy). We're looking for a 2-way contract, basically as short term insurance in case one of our other bigs goes down. I wouldn't be opposed to signing Morehead to one of our two 2-way contracts for this very reason. I also wouldn't be heartbroken if we passed him by.

    Either way, I'd still keep at least one of our 2-way spots open until the final roster cuts in mid-October.

    BNM
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Hard to believe it (he's almost 28), but yes he is. Because he sat out all of last season and never suited up for a Blazers game, he only has 3 years of NBA experience.

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    G league invitational was Sunday so I have another name. Most guys at this event land a contract somewhere soon after (nba training camp, g league, overseas)

    Brandon Sampson. Guard. LSU. Was a top 50 high school recruit. 6’5. 6’9 wingspan. 8’4 standing reach. College numbers weren’t special, but he’s one of those guys where I just go with my gut since it’s more about projection anyway and we’re talking about developmental players. Explosive, fluid athlete. 42 inch vertical. Potential as a shooter. Handles the ball. Flashes defensively. I’d give him a camp invite at least. There’s a lot to work with here.





     
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    I've brought up Christian Wood as someone we should target several times (maybe not in this thread, but in other locations).

    He's off the table now, after agreeing to a contract with the Bucks.
     
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    Is he the power forward that was drafted a couple years ago?

    I’ve been desperately searching for power forwards/centers we could develop, but haven’t really found anyone yet outside of McCullough.
     
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    Yep. All NBA G-League second teamer last year. Made All-Summer league 1st team.

    22-yr old from UNLV. Athletic PF with a decent handle and can shoot out to the 3pt line.

    His G-League stats are encouraging. I think he had an attitude problem his first year or two out of school, so he hasn't really received a good opportunity yet (kind of like Baldwin in that way).
    https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/w/woodch01d.html
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    MIL seems to be hoarding big men the way POR is hoarding guards.

    Is he really off the table? Is his deal guaranteed, or could he still be cut between now and opening night?

    Although they don't give specifics on his contract, this article in the Milwaukee Sentinel implies that Woods' contract is not guaranteed, that its a training camp invite with a chance to make the roster. They mention that Woods, along with Shabazz Muhammad are non-guaranteed contracts:

    "He is expected to join the Bucks for training camp with the opportunity to compete for a roster spot, similar to Shabazz Muhammad,"

    They also state that MIL currently has 22 players on their roster and will need to cut that to 20 by the start of training camp, and of course, they will need to cut that to 15 plus two 2-ways by mid-October.

    MIL obviously needs to cut some of their bigs. Giannis will eat up most of their minutes at the 4, with Ersan Ilyasova getting most of the back up minutes, followed by D.J. Wilson (guaranteed contract) as their 3rd string PF. At center, they have Brook Lopez, John Henson, Thon Maker all on guaranteed deals, plus Tyler Zeller, Brandon McCoy and Woods on non-guaranteed deals.

    Since Zeller makes the most and MIL is hard capped, I expect he'll be cut before his deal becomes guaranteed. That leaves Woods and McCoy competing for one (if that) roster spot (possibly a 2-way). With six bigs already guaranteed contract, will MIL commit to carrying a 7th big man. That seems excessive for a 15-man roster. Maybe they cut Zeller and McCoy and offer Woods a 2-way contract.

    Of course, Woods could decline their offer, we don't have anything more to offer him but a 2-way contract as well. MIL seems to have the inside track on signing him, but with their glut of guaranteed contracts at the 4 and 5, he'd actually have more of a chance to actually see NBA minutes in POR with our lack of front court depth.

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