Exclusive Vote; Do you enjoy watching the 2022-23 Blazers?

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by SharpesTriumph, Jan 11, 2023.

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Do you enjoy watching the 2022-23 Blazers?

Poll closed Jan 25, 2023.
  1. Yes - Absolutely, its awesome to watch

    10.3%
  2. Good to watch, but wish it was better

    43.6%
  3. Indifferent, sometimes good but sometimes bad

    23.1%
  4. I don't enjoy it, not a fun year

    17.9%
  5. No - It's horrible and I can't stand watching

    5.1%
  1. SharpesTriumph

    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    What do you think?
     
  2. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Yes, they are my favorite team.
     
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  3. HomerLovesKoolAid

    HomerLovesKoolAid I have a well-known member.

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    Mods please change Blazers to L*kers.
     
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    HomerLovesKoolAid I have a well-known member.

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    Yes - Absolutely, its awesome to watch, like earthquakes, tsunamis, and train wrecks.
     
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  5. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    it was great to watch thru mid-November. Then not so great to watch for the rest of November. Then great to watch for the first 2 weeks or so of December. Then hard to watch since

    all in all, great to watch for 22 games; not so great for 20
     
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  6. andalusian

    andalusian Season - Restarted

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    Yeah. Pretty much. The carelessness with the ball just drives me up a wall.
     
  7. riverman

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    I needed an "it was really awesome for the first dozen games" option
     
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    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    Blazer NBA ranking in fewest turnovers:

    2017-18 - 8th (Stotts)
    2018-19 - 11th (Stotts)
    2019-20 - 3rd (Stotts)
    2020-21 - 1st (Stotts)
    2021-22 - 24th (Billups)
    2022-23 - 26th (Billups)

    maybe Chaucey needs to rethink his offensive schemes
     
  9. SharpesTriumph

    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    So you prefer ISO ball? It will certainly have far less turnovers.
     
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  10. AngryFan

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    I tend to listen to the games on the radio but I wouldn't do it if I didn't enjoy it. I'd prefer a different direction for the team but I still enjoy following them.

    The only way I could see it becoming not fun is if we traded all our future picks and were still bad like the Timberwolves.
     
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  11. riverman

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    Dame and Nurk as well as Ant and Grant are pick and roll weapons but Chauncey runs very few pick and roll sets for either pair which baffles the mind...Stotts used a lot of pick and roll offense with good results liked him or not.
     
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    This is where I'm at but I'll say I'm sure glad I didn't shell out for league pass this season..I can watch games a couple days after they're played anyway and see it if I want.
     
  13. Rastapopoulos

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    Depends which quarter we're talking
     
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  14. calvin natt

    calvin natt Confeve

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    Zero connection with this team. But I like basketball so I watch.
     
  15. blazerfan11

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    I went to check where Golden State was last season.
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  16. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    no...I reject the either/or

    Portland is 26th in turnovers but 18th in pace

    so take the list I made and add pace as a mitigating factor...maybe

    2017-18 - 8th (Stotts) - pace 19th
    2018-19 - 11th (Stotts) - pace 18th
    2019-20 - 3rd (Stotts) - pace 13th
    2020-21 - 1st (Stotts) - pace 19th
    2021-22 - 24th (Billups) - pace 16th
    2022-23 - 26th (Billups) - pace 18th

    but maybe that doesn't go directly to your question which I do think is valid. Would adding assist rankings offer any more clarity? Actually, maybe the rankings wouldn't reveal as much as just assists vs turnovers

    2017-18 - 19.5 (ast) vs 13.5 (trn) --> 1.44 assist/trnover
    2018-19 - 23 vs 13.8 --> 1.67
    2019-20 - 20.6 vs 12.8 --> 1.61
    2020-21 - 21.3 vs 11.1 --> 1.92
    2021-22 - 22.9 vs 14.5 --> 1.58
    2022-23 - 24.2 vs 15.8 -->1.53

    I am not really seeing any boost for a motion offense over an iso offense even though I didn't like the iso offense. Compare 2018/19 to this season: Portland is only generating 1.2 more assists at the cost of 2.0 more turnovers. And in both of those seasons, the Blazers ranked 18th in pace. Or compare this season to 2020/21. The Blazers are generating 2.9 more assists at the cost of 4.7 more turnovers. Those are pretty bad trade-offs

    I get the gist of your question. At least I think I do; correct me if I'm wrong. That being that just maybe the cost of a higher passing offense will be more turnovers. Using those two previous seasons as the gauge: this season Portland is generating 5.2% more assists than 2018/19 but also generating 14.5% more turnovers. And compared to 2020/21, Portland is generating 13.6% more assists, but also 42.3% more turnovers. Looks like the increase in turnovers is nearly tripling the increase in assists. In both cases. I can't imagine that being beneficial in any fashion

    so when I suggested that Chauncey might need to rethink his offensive schemes, I'd say there are more options than just returning to an iso-heavy offense

    I'd also suggest something else: if you're going to run a passing offense, it's probably critical to have a rotation good at passing. I don't think the Blazers have that right now. Not really close to that
     
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    I said no but I still watch. Blazers games are the only NBA games I can watch start to finish until the playoffs. I admit I missed a game this season but it was Chris’ fault. I recorded the raptors game to watch at night but Chris texted me and told me not to lol. So I skipped it.
     
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    I prefer better offense. In the 8 years that Terry Stotts was here the Blazers never had as low a relative ORTG (Offensive rating compared to the rest of the league) as this team has. Last year's team was atrocious - so we can ignore it, but a team that featured the ISO game of Dame and CJ next to luminaries like Herzonja, Bazemore and Whiteside had a relative ORTG of 3.1 vs 0.4 this year.

    Honestly, the offense in the last 2 years has been a huge letdown. The defense was fun at the start of the year, but even that has gone down - but the offense, never in the last time have I see that team and thought they were an offensive force in this league.

    Even the ISO years when all the Blazers had was Dame and CJ had a lot more off the ball movement than this year.

    Sorry, but the offense on this team is not as much fun to watch as what we have watched even in the lean Stotts years when the roster was crap. The idea might be nice, but the execution is sub-par and they are trying way too hard to make fancy passes without proper off the ball movement to facilitate them. Good idea, sub-par prep work and implementation.
     
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    Soft passes without intensity, sloppy dribbling, and giving up the lane over and over are a little hard to swallow at times. Still love watching the team regardless.
     
  20. blazerkor

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    I love watching Blazers basketball when it’s been at its best and worst. Objectively the Blazers are a fun team to watch because you never know what you’re going to get.

    As a fan this team is maddening and I’m hoping for them to get much better.
     

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