Notice We got to stop this shit....

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  1. Hoopguru

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    Anyone caught dealing that shit should do big time imo. Zero tolerance.
    At the same to time fix how we deal with addiction and mentally ill.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Oh absolutely. Anybody dealing anything with fentanyl should get locked up long term. Problem is there will always be somebody willing to take the risk if we don't limit the number of desperate people in our country.

    There isn't enough prison space to make a dent.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Isn't that story about stopping it?

    barfo
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Isn't that what he meant? Stop stopping it, right?
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Ah, I misunderstood.

    barfo
     
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    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    I'm all in favor of abolishing some of the cushy prisons/pens and in their place, bringing back the "chain gangs". No more sitting around all day watching cable TV, not having to work. ..."you just keep shakin' that bush, Luke...just keep shakin' that bush."


    And before I'm lambasted about felons' "rights", once a person has consistently proven the cannot abide by our laws, I no longer give 2 shits about their "rights".
     
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    Visit an actual prison and see how cushy they are.

    Lock them up and throw away the key has never solved social problems. It just puts people, mostly poor and mostly Black and Latinx, behind bars. The ones really making the money skate. Change the social conditions.

    My late father tried to counsel a young man in his class. The student told him, quite respectfully, he could make more in a week dealing than a teacher made in a month.
     
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    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    I have in fact visited prisons in my area which you would have no idea about so don't presume to tell me what I do and do not know about.

    Prisons are full of people who were convicted of crimes, period. Are mistakes made sometimes?...of course. Is our system perfect?...of course not. But it beats anarchy.
    Bring back the chains gangs and we'd likely have much less felons going back to prison multiple times.



    We cannot simply legislate social conditions....IMO, it's our overall culture in this country that is to blame, and it does need to change, but again, it's not something that can be legislated. It has taken us many years to get to the despicable place we're in now as a country, so it stands to reason it will take just as long to get to where we should be.
     
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    Why stop with chain gangs? Theft used to be a capital crime. How about burning at the stake? Draw and quarter? Boil in oil? They are criminals.* Who cares?

    * Term does not apply to wealthy and powerful who break laws.
     
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    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    Never said any of that, but one broad generalization deserves another, I suppose. ...Yeah, let's just let all criminals go free.
     
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    Well glad they got lucky. We don't that shit out there.
     
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    What exactly are you referring to that is cultural that is leading folks to be criminals? I’m curious to hear your thoughts because most of the research I have read have evidence that supports the notion that it’s because folks are desperate.

    You may not be able to legislate programs to fix cultural issues, but you can certainly pass legislation that improves people’s quality of life. Improve schools, improve health care, and make housing affordable. Do those things alone and most criminal behavior would decrease substantially.
     
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    I don't always articulate my views/opinions on things as well as I could., so my meaning may get miscinstrued...if that's the case, that's on me.

    Yes, we can first legislate measure to hopefully and gradually change things, but the point I was trying to make was that we cannot quickly change the way some people currently think. Like I said, it's taken us many years to get to the point of where we are currently at...and IMO, it will also take many years to get to where we should be.

    There's a lot of venom/hate in this country and the world for that matter, and legislation won't be a quick fix, certainly not in my lifetime.
     
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    Nobody is suggesting anarchy. We have seen what changes in policing and sentencing have worked well in this country, (shockingly similar to policies that work in other countries) and that's how you start to change the culture.

    https://www.audacy.com/kywnewsradio/news/local/new-camden-county-police-sworn-in-streets

    https://www.politico.com/news/magaz... movement grows in,and change how it operated.
     
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    Adding to the list of Things Nobody Serious Has Ever Said...
     
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    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    Neither did I say "How about burning at the stake? Draw and quarter? Boil in oil? "... which was what I was responding to and why I said it.
     
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    I get that, but chain gangs is a big step in the direction of dehumanizing people. Which encourages people to accepting further means of torture.

    Nobody is suggesting any step in the direction of letting all prisoners go. Only reducing proven ineffective and harmful practices.
     

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