White House sees record budget gap in 2009

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  1. The Return of the Raider

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    Mon Jul 28, 5:29 PM ET

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration on Monday projected the U.S. budget deficit will soar to a record of nearly half a trillion dollars in fiscal 2009 as a housing-led economic slowdown cuts into government revenues.
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    The economic and fiscal deterioration will complicate efforts to bring the budget to balance and pose challenges for whoever takes over the White House in January, either Republican Sen. John McCain or Democratic Sen. Barack Obama.

    "I believe whoever becomes the next president will have a very, very sobering first week in office," predicted Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, a North Dakota Democrat.

    Reacting to the White House's new prediction that the budget deficit will hit $482 billion in the fiscal year that starts October 1, Conrad said that number easily could rise by an additional $80 billion when the full costs of the Iraq war are tallied next year.

    The economy has been hobbled by the housing market collapse and soaring food and energy prices. In February, the Democratic-controlled Congress and President George W. Bush approved a $168 billion, two-year stimulus plan to ward off recession.

    With the slowing economy and the cost of the economic stimulus plan, the White House said it thinks the deficit will hit a record $482 billion in fiscal 2009. However, it cut its forecast for the current fiscal year to $389 billion.

    White House budget chief Jim Nussle cited the government stimulus checks and slower economic growth as primary reasons for larger deficits in 2008 and 2009. "The determination was made that getting the economy back on track was a higher priority than immediate deficit reduction," he told reporters.

    In February, the administration forecast the deficit would hit $410 billion this year and drop to $407 billion in 2009.

    The new report said the budget deficit would fall to $178 billion in 2010, and surpluses would emerge in 2012.

    However, the deficit projections did not include the full amount of funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan or costly tax law changes, and acknowledged it would be a "challenge" to reach surpluses in 2012.

    Nussle also poured cold water on the idea of a second economic stimulus package floated by some Democrats and instead pressed lawmakers to approve energy legislation to boost the economy, including permitting offshore drilling.

    "The proposals we hear about sound a lot more like election stimulus or political stimulus than it does economic stimulus," Nussle told reporters.

    The White House also lowered its forecast of 2008 economic growth to 1.6 percent from 2.7 percent -- bringing it into line with private-sector projections. It said growth should pick up to 2.2 percent next year, showing more optimism than many private economists.

    It forecast inflation at 3.8 percent this year, but said it should ease to 2.3 percent in 2009.

    "We don't think this is a rosy scenario in any way. We think it's a realistic scenario," said Edward Lazear, chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers.

    "Our hope is that we will be through most of the issues that are plaguing those markets right now and that we won't see continued increases in energy prices," he said, adding that falling or stabilizing energy prices will boost the economy.

    BUDGETARY STRAINS

    In addition to the efforts to give a lift to the economy, the budget has been sapped by the prolonged wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that came as Bush's tax cuts went into effect. Economists have also warned about an expected rise in health care spending as members of the baby boom generation retire.

    Democrats have blasted the Republican administration for squandering budget surpluses and nearly doubling the national debt, from $5.6 trillion when Bush took office in 2001 to over $9.5 trillion now.

    "President Bush has mortgaged our future with record deficit spending on the wrong priorities," Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said. "An unnecessary and extraordinarily costly war in Iraq has turned record surpluses into record deficits."

    Nussle defended Bush's fiscal record during an eight-year term that started with record budget surpluses but will end with a record deficit. He said Bush inherited a recession that hurt revenues and needed to quickly ramp up spending on homeland security and the military after attacks on New York and Washington in 2001.

    As the White House predicted more red ink, the Treasury Department said it expects to sell $171 billion in debt securities over the July-September quarter, marking its second-highest quarterly borrowing after the January-March quarter's record $244 billion.

    It estimated net borrowing through Treasury bonds, notes and bills for fiscal 2008 will total $555 billion, compared with $134 billion a year earlier.
     
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    Recession? Feels like one, regardless of whether there's technically one.

    Brilliant idea: raise taxes.

    NOT!

    How about we cut $500B in govt. spending? That's what everyone should do when they're living beyond their means.
     
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    It's a shame the line-item veto was declared unconstitutional. We could really use it now.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 29 2008, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How about we cut $500B in govt. spending?</div>

    Stop waging war?
     
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    Stop your favorite spending program instead.

    Everyone hates to have their ox gored (SIC).

    IMO, military spending should be about the only spending we do. Imagine the surpluses!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 29 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stop your favorite spending program instead.

    Everyone hates to have their ox gored (SIC).

    IMO, military spending should be about the only spending we do. Imagine the surpluses!</div>

    small nukes, baby!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 29 2008, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 29 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stop your favorite spending program instead.

    Everyone hates to have their ox gored (SIC).

    IMO, military spending should be about the only spending we do. Imagine the surpluses!</div>

    small nukes, baby!
    </div>

    I think you mischaracterize these things. The alternative is daisy bombs, which have the same explosive force but are more expensive to build and use.

    No doubt we need one or the other, if you want to get an Osama type person who's hiding in a cave or bunker.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane)</div><div class='quotemain'>How about we cut $500B in govt. spending? That's what everyone should do when they're living beyond their means.</div>

    That's the simple logical solution but it is the Gov't we are talking about.

    We here @ S2 could all give our stimulus checks back. lol.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane)</div><div class='quotemain'>if you want to get an Osama type person who's hiding in a cave or bunker.</div>

    UBL is not keeping a low profile ala Saddam. He is probably living in Musharraf's guest house.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 29 2008, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 29 2008, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 29 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stop your favorite spending program instead.

    Everyone hates to have their ox gored (SIC).

    IMO, military spending should be about the only spending we do. Imagine the surpluses!</div>

    small nukes, baby!
    </div>

    I think you mischaracterize these things. The alternative is daisy bombs, which have the same explosive force but are more expensive to build and use.

    No doubt we need one or the other, if you want to get an Osama type person who's hiding in a cave or bunker.
    </div>


    Tony Stark once said:
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Someone said the best weapon is the one you never have to fire. I respectfully disagree. The best weapon is the one you only have to fire once.</div>
     
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    not a surprise. this country is doomed.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 30 2008, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 29 2008, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 29 2008, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 29 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stop your favorite spending program instead.

    Everyone hates to have their ox gored (SIC).

    IMO, military spending should be about the only spending we do. Imagine the surpluses!</div>

    small nukes, baby!
    </div>

    I think you mischaracterize these things. The alternative is daisy bombs, which have the same explosive force but are more expensive to build and use.

    No doubt we need one or the other, if you want to get an Osama type person who's hiding in a cave or bunker.
    </div>


    Tony Stark once said:
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Someone said the best weapon is the one you never have to fire. I respectfully disagree. The best weapon is the one you only have to fire once.</div>
    </div>

    Zing!!
     

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