Zito deal gives 126 million reasons why Johan Santana will be traded after 2007

AdropOFvenom · Dec 30, 2006

http://www.startribune.com/508/story/905897.htmlI want him so badly. :drool:

Jon_Vilma · Dec 30, 2006

Yankees could give Hughes, Sanchez, and Tabata for him and I would STILL love the deal.

iknobaer · Dec 30, 2006

^^it will take a lot more hten that(and yes, i know who they are, i follow prospects big time)i doubt if Santana is traded it will be in teh AL

AdropOFvenom · Dec 30, 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Dec 30 2006, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^^it will take a lot more hten that(and yes, i know who they are, i follow prospects big time)i doubt if Santana is traded it will be in teh AL</div>Hence why the Mets are such a perfect fit. We got the money and the 'spects

Jon_Vilma · Dec 30, 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Dec 30 2006, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Dec 30 2006, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^^it will take a lot more hten that(and yes, i know who they are, i follow prospects big time)i doubt if Santana is traded it will be in teh AL</div>Hence why the Mets are such a perfect fit. We got the money and the 'spects </div>Not to mention the major need for pitching.

Nebkreb · Dec 30, 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Dec 30 2006, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Dec 30 2006, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^^it will take a lot more hten that(and yes, i know who they are, i follow prospects big time)i doubt if Santana is traded it will be in teh AL</div>Hence why the Mets are such a perfect fit. We got the money and the 'spects </div>question (and dont take this the wrong way) what prospects do you have besides Milledge...i havent heard any big names from your organization

Brooksie5 · Dec 30, 2006

Carlos Gonzalez, and pretty much no one else.Don't worry though, Johan won't go. The Twins payroll has been increasing each year as they're young players are getting better and deserving of bigger contracts, but we still don't let them leave. We're not going to become the Yankees or Red Sox or anything and build our team (and payroll) via Free Agency, but our payroll will get bigger, because we'll continue to produce quality players through our system. We have the money to be a team like the Yankees, we just chose not to, but we will keep Johan. You're better off dreaming about Carlos Zambrano. We'll find a way to keep Johan through at least the 2010 season. So don't get your hopes up.

AdropOFvenom · Dec 30, 2006

[quote name='Nebkreb' post='79369' date='Dec 30 2006, 03:51 PM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='79337' date='Dec 30 2006, 12:34 PM'][quote name='iknobaer' post='79335' date='Dec 30 2006, 11:53 AM']^^it will take a lot more hten that(and yes, i know who they are, i follow prospects big time)i doubt if Santana is traded it will be in teh AL[/quote]Hence why the Mets are such a perfect fit. We got the money and the 'spects [/quote]question (and dont take this the wrong way) what prospects do you have besides Milledge...i havent heard any big names from your organization[/quote]I'll let Baseball Prospecus answer that for you.

Excellent Prospects1. Fernando Martinez, cfDOB: 10/10/88Height/Weight: 6-0/185Bats/Throws: L/R[Signed: Dominican Republic, 2005What he did in 2006: .333/.389/.505 at Low A (211 PA); .250/.250/.250 at Rookie Level (4 PA); .193/.254/.387 at High A (130 PA)The Good: After receiving the largest bonus in the 2005 international signing season ($1.4 million), Martinez looked to be worth every penny. Both his hitting skills and approach are remarkable for his age, and power should come as he learns how to pull balls. Every tool grades out as average or plus, and he's a sound center fielder with a plus arm.The Bad: Power is still mostly projection, and some scouts see a swing that is not designed for loft. Struggles against good lefties. Concerns exist about his ability to maintain speed as body fills out, leaving some to project a move to a corner slot.The Irrelevant: After going homerless against lefthanders in the Sally League, Martinez bashed three in 49 at-bats against southpaws after a late-season promotion to the Florida State League.In A Perfect World, He Becomes: It's hard to figure out where Martinez will bat in the lineup when he's done, but most agree it was be as an impact hitter in the one, two or three slot. It's interesting to note that when the updated PECOTA cards come out, his comps will include Jose Reyes and Miguel Cabrera, so the system doesn't know what he'll end up as either, other than really, really good.Gap Between What He Is Now, And What He Can Be: High – but remarkably low for a player so young. Even the Mets were surprised as to how quickly Martinez's tools translated on the field.2. Philip Humber, rhpDOB: 12/21/82Height/Weight: 6-4/210Bats/Throws: R/RDraft: 1st round, 2004, RiceWhat he did in 2006: 6.75 ERA at Rookie Level (4-7-1-7); 2.37 ERA at High A (38-24-9-36); 2.88 ERA at AA (34.1-25-10-36); 0.00 ERA at MLB (2-0-1-2)The Good: Return from Tommy John surgery was not only quick, it was remarkable for how quickly the stuff came back. Throws strikes and works all four quadrants of the zone with a low 90s fastball and a hammer curveball, as well as a power change up. All three pitches are capable of generating swings and misses, and Mets brass are still buzzing about the inning of relief against Atlanta during his big league debut when he touched 96 and looked dominant.The Bad: Control is there, but like many TJ survivors, the command can falter at times. The surgery will be an issue until he pitches a full season.The Irrelevant: Former big leaguer Robert Ellis, who has had the surgery himself, assisted Humber with his rehab and has earned praise for an unorthodox approach that involves drills in which the pitcher throws underhanded.In A Perfect World, He Becomes: A No. 2 starter capable of winning 15-to-18 games annually with an upper-echelon team.Gap Between What He Is Now, And What He Can Be: Low – There's no need to rush Humber, as the Mets rotation is filled, and for now 2005 first-round pick Mike Pelfrey is a little ahead of him in the pecking order. He'll begin 2007 at Triple-A, but will certainly return to the majors at some point.3. Mike Pelfrey, rhpDOB: 1/14/84Height/Weight: 6-7/210Bats/Throws: R/RDraft: 1st round, 2005, Wichita StateWhat he did in 2006: 1.64 ERA at High A (22-17-2-26); 2.71 ERA at AA (66.1-60-26-77); 2.25 ERA at AAA (8-4-5-6); 5.48 ERA at MLB (21.1-25-12-13)The Good: Outstanding fastball features plus-plus velocity (92-95 mph, touches 97) and plus-plus movement, as he's capable of adding major cutting or sinking action on it. Height, and therefore downward plane, only adds to Pelfrey's effectiveness. Repeats delivery well and has very good command for such a large pitcher.The Bad: Breaking ball pulled a bit of a disappearing act in 2006. He had a decent over-the-top curveball in college, but he just never found his feel for it this year, forcing him to pitch primarily off his fastball, which worked in the minors, but hindered his effectiveness during a brief big league look. Changeup is usable, but like the curve, he loses confidence in it, reducing himself to a one-pitch pitcher.The Irrelevant: As great as the Mets pitching staffs of the 1980s were, Pelfrey became the first Metropolitan to win his first two starts since 1969 (Gary Gentry).In A Perfect World, He Becomes: A frontline starter.Gap Between What He Is Now, And What He Can Be: Higher than it should be. Pelfrey's Arizona Fall League season was cut short by some minor arm soreness, and the organization would like to see if he can find some consistency with his secondary pitches at Triple-A. If they sign Barry Zito, assigning him there to begin the season becomes that much easier.Very Good Prospects4. Carlos Gomez, cfDOB: 12/4/85Height/Weight: 6-2/175Bats/Throws: R/RSigned: Dominican Republic, 2002What he did in 2006: .281/.350/.423 at AA (486 PA)The Good: Oozing with athleticism, there are people within the Mets organization who think his tools are batter and his ceiling is higher than Martinez or Lastings Milledge. Overmatched initially after the double jump to Double-A, Gomez hit .341 after July 1. Power is not there now, but potential is there once he adds bulk to his long, lanky frame. Excellent base stealer thanks to plus-plus speed which also helps him in centerfield to go along with above-average arm.The Bad: Still raw as a hitter. Needs a more patient approach, which like his hitting, is something he made great strides with during the second half of the season. Has difficulty facing lefthanders, particularly ones with good breaking pitches.The Irrelevant: Whether clutch hitting exists or not, Gomez hit .421 (40-for-95) with runners in scoring position in 2006, with a .663 slugging percentage.In A Perfect World, He Becomes: An all-star outfielder who nearly matches teammate Jose Reyes on the excitement factor.Gap Between What He Is Now, And What He Can Be: Average – the gap between what Gomez can be and his actual numbers is pretty sizeable, yet scouts are so universal in their praise for him, it's a little easier to think he'll make enough adjustments to be of value in the big leagues. He'll begin the year as a 21-year-old in Triple-A, and should make his big league debut at some point in 2007, though the Mets outfield picture is too confusing to predict anything more.
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Not to mention the Mets have tradeable players not listed there like Lastings Milledge and Aaron Heilman.

DevinHester23 · Dec 30, 2006

I hope the Cubs can get him after his contract expires. Fantasy team in 2009:1. TheRiot (SS)2. Pie (CF)3. Derrek Lee (1B)4. Soriano (2B)5. Andruw Jones (RF)6. Dunn (LF)7. Aramis Ramirez (3B)8. Barrett ©9. PitcherRotation:ZambranoJohan SantanaHillMarshallLilly:drool:

Brooksie5 · Dec 30, 2006

I'd take Hughes, Tabata, Shanchez, and maybe 1 or 2 more Yankee prospects over any of those 4. The only prospect that the Mets have that I think will amount to anything that good is Milledge. Heilman is fucking useless... he's not worth much at all anymore. He's already older than Johan, so he's definitely not much of a prospect, and he hasn't really ever "dominated". He's been pretty good, but nothing amazing.

Jon_Vilma · Dec 31, 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Dec 30 2006, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd take Hughes, Tabata, Shanchez, and maybe 1 or 2 more Yankee prospects over any of those 4. The only prospect that the Mets have that I think will amount to anything that good is Milledge. Heilman is fucking useless... he's not worth much at all anymore. He's already older than Johan, so he's definitely not much of a prospect, and he hasn't really ever "dominated". He's been pretty good, but nothing amazing.</div>If Milledge was in the Yankees organization, we'd be consider him our 5th best prospect (with Melky included, 4th best with him not included).

AdropOFvenom · Dec 31, 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Dec 31 2006, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Dec 30 2006, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd take Hughes, Tabata, Shanchez, and maybe 1 or 2 more Yankee prospects over any of those 4. The only prospect that the Mets have that I think will amount to anything that good is Milledge. Heilman is fucking useless... he's not worth much at all anymore. He's already older than Johan, so he's definitely not much of a prospect, and he hasn't really ever "dominated". He's been pretty good, but nothing amazing.</div>If Milledge was in the Yankees organization, we'd be consider him our 5th best prospect (with Melky included, 4th best with him not included).</div>Keep Dreaming. Yup. A top 10 Ranked Prospect in all of baseball would be Ranked 5th in the Yankees Organization. Suuuuuue. :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO:

Jon_Vilma · Dec 31, 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Dec 31 2006, 06:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Dec 31 2006, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Dec 30 2006, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd take Hughes, Tabata, Shanchez, and maybe 1 or 2 more Yankee prospects over any of those 4. The only prospect that the Mets have that I think will amount to anything that good is Milledge. Heilman is fucking useless... he's not worth much at all anymore. He's already older than Johan, so he's definitely not much of a prospect, and he hasn't really ever "dominated". He's been pretty good, but nothing amazing.</div>If Milledge was in the Yankees organization, we'd be consider him our 5th best prospect (with Melky included, 4th best with him not included).</div>Keep Dreaming. Yup. A top 10 Ranked Prospect in all of baseball would be Ranked 5th in the Yankees Organization. Suuuuuue. :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO:</div>Would I trade Melky for Milledge? NoWould I trade Hughes for Milledge? NoWould I trade Sanchez for Milledge? NoWould I trade Tabata for Milledge? Probably not.

Brooksie5 · Dec 31, 2006

[quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='79428' date='Dec 31 2006, 12:37 PM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='79419' date='Dec 31 2006, 06:48 AM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='79409' date='Dec 31 2006, 12:34 AM'][quote name='Brooksie5' post='79390' date='Dec 30 2006, 07:44 PM']I'd take Hughes, Tabata, Shanchez, and maybe 1 or 2 more Yankee prospects over any of those 4. The only prospect that the Mets have that I think will amount to anything that good is Milledge. Heilman is fucking useless... he's not worth much at all anymore. He's already older than Johan, so he's definitely not much of a prospect, and he hasn't really ever "dominated". He's been pretty good, but nothing amazing.[/quote]If Milledge was in the Yankees organization, we'd be consider him our 5th best prospect (with Melky included, 4th best with him not included).[/quote]Keep Dreaming. Yup. A top 10 Ranked Prospect in all of baseball would be Ranked 5th in the Yankees Organization. Suuuuuue. :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO:[/quote]Would I trade Melky for Milledge? NoWould I trade Hughes for Milledge? NoWould I trade Sanchez for Milledge? NoWould I trade Tabata for Milledge? Probably not.[/quote]That's your opinion... Milledge is better than all of the Yankee prospects except Hughes probably.

AdropOFvenom · Dec 31, 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Dec 31 2006, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Dec 31 2006, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Would I trade Melky for Milledge? NoWould I trade Hughes for Milledge? NoWould I trade Sanchez for Milledge? NoWould I trade Tabata for Milledge? Probably not.</div>That's your opinion... Milledge is better than all of the Yankee prospects except Hughes probably.</div>Exactly.

DevinHester23 · Dec 31, 2006

So, what do you guys think of that fantasy 2009 team?

AdropOFvenom · Dec 31, 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Dec 31 2006, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So, what do you guys think of that fantasy 2009 team? </div>Other then the fact that you would have to spend more money then the Yankees do in a season, and you'd have nothing to trade for Santana while keeping Pie, Hill, and Marshall. It looks like a good team. In reality it has no chance of happening though. Why don't I just list the NL All-Stars as the Mets future potential lineup while I'm at it. :whistling:

DevinHester23 · Jan 1, 2007

I meant we get Johan in FA after 2008, when his contract expires

AdropOFvenom · Jan 1, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Jan 1 2007, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I meant we get Johan in FA after 2008, when his contract expires</div>If they trade him, he will never hit FA.

DevinHester23 · Jan 1, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Jan 1 2007, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Jan 1 2007, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I meant we get Johan in FA after 2008, when his contract expires</div>If they trade him, he will never hit FA. </div>We don't know for sure

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