Palin Pick Puts Politics Ahead of Country.

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by huevonkiller, Sep 1, 2008.

  1. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    No that is not the whole argument.

    And it is clear that the people chose Barry, counting the superdelegates or not.
     
  2. cpawfan

    cpawfan Monsters do exist

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2007
    Messages:
    8,703
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Based upon what?

    The vast majority of voters are dumb sheep that vote based upon a couple of emotional issues and under the direction of sound bites.

    The correct statement is that the goals of the republican party are different from those of the illerati.
     
  3. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    It is the whole argument presented in the article you chose.

    "Barry" didn't win enough delegates to be nominated, unless you count the superdelegates. The primaries were a tie.
     
  4. Dumpy

    Dumpy Yi-ha!!

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2007
    Messages:
    4,231
    Likes Received:
    24
    Trophy Points:
    38
    the party doesn't give a damn about the issues. They want to get elected. They will argue that coffee should be flavored with shit if they thought it would help.
     
  5. cpawfan

    cpawfan Monsters do exist

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2007
    Messages:
    8,703
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Neither party cares about the issues and both are corrupt. The republicans are not any worse than the democrats when it comes to only caring about getting elected.

    No politician cares about the "informed" voters that you ascribe to the American public. This is a nation filled with voting sheep that are easily manipulated. Heck, dead people win elections.
     
  6. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    Well I disagree, I touched upon other issues in this thread, although I suppose I should post another fun article to clarify even further.

    Source: Slate

    The same technicality you keep talking about. It is true, yet his popular vote lead is not in question; he finished the Dem primaries ten points ahead of Hill.
     
  7. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    Consider the source and who they're rooting for to win, of course. The same can be said about the superdelegates' decision making process.

    "Barry" won 48.1% of the popular vote to Hillary's 48.0% in the primaries. That's not 10 points ahead, it's .1 point. You're only off by 2 orders of magnitude.
     
  8. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    What's wrong with the article? The superdelegates were ultimately redundant this cycle.


    Lol, I was talking about the RCP polling done at the end of the primaries, I'm not off by anything. It was only close because of Hillary's Brand name at the start of the whole process; Barry had a great campaign and it showed at the end.
     
  9. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    Barry lost all but a few of the last bunch of primaries. He backed in, and only got the nomination because of the superdelegates. The superdelegates didn't even vote the way the people they represented voted.

    The party needs a new name - they haven't figured out what "democratic" means.
     
  10. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    That's assuming I cared what the electoral college was. Hillary won based on the arbitrary process of determining what groups of counties become a state, and there were no big upsets. The nation didn't want her, and the Democrats supposedly care less about the electoral process anyway.
     
  11. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    18M wanted her
    18M+1 wanted Obama
    19M were needed to win the election.
     
  12. Dumpy

    Dumpy Yi-ha!!

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2007
    Messages:
    4,231
    Likes Received:
    24
    Trophy Points:
    38

    I think you are harping on the wrong issue. The bigger problem, as I see it, is that each state has a different method for allocating delegates, which leads to complex strategies where you decide where you need to win and where you just need to be close.
     
  13. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    Isn't the issue strongly related to talking about how "Barry" has been vetted by the voters?
     
  14. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    The Caucus process easily dug into Barry's pop vote lead.
     
  15. Dumpy

    Dumpy Yi-ha!!

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2007
    Messages:
    4,231
    Likes Received:
    24
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Not really. Even if we accept the argument that it was a "tie," between Obama and Yuckola, I'd argue that both were vetted and were deemed "acceptable." I'm thinking more about the dozen or so candidates that dropped out somewhere along the process.
     
  16. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    If Palin had run for president and won 19M votes, she'd be way more "qualified" than "Barry," right?

    Maybe I'll bump a thread I made a while back where I talked about who were the most qualified candidates and who were the least qualified. For the record, I had Obama and McCain in the three least qualified category.
     
  17. Dumpy

    Dumpy Yi-ha!!

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2007
    Messages:
    4,231
    Likes Received:
    24
    Trophy Points:
    38
    I wouldn't say that; but I'd certainly accept that voters believe that her inexperience is a non-issue given her other qualities.
     
  18. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    We'll find out two things by the time of the election. What her qualities truly are (not just that she really had her own baby), and whether the voters see her lack of experience at the national level to be reason to not vote for the ticket.
     
  19. Dumpy

    Dumpy Yi-ha!!

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2007
    Messages:
    4,231
    Likes Received:
    24
    Trophy Points:
    38
    I'm pretty sure that she will gain votes for Mr. McCain because she is a pro-life, pro-creationism young woman who likes to hunt and fish. As I said earlier, though, as a citizen, I am disgusted by the fact that this is the sole criteria for identifying a viable vice presidential candidate. Don't worry, I would be more disgusted by the idea of Oprah on the ticket.
     
  20. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    Why weren't you disgusted with Obama when he first ran?

    Frankly, I am impressed as all heck with the guy, but I'm disgusted that we paid him to do a job and he hasn't done much of it. That'd be senator.
     

Share This Page