Zombie Palin/Biden Debate Thread (Democrats suck)

That's what I meant by a "game-changer." Something that fundamentally changes the situation for the two candidates.

I don't think she's been a huge liability. I really don't think she's had a lot of effect. I think the economy has been the huge liability to McCain. In a good economy, I think McCain is in the lead, even if Palin did all the same things.

 

Have you been reading the threads here about Palin and how she's going to run into a brick wall?

 

Palin did a very credible job. She was very well coached, and memorizing her closing statement was a killer. She's very good at looking directly at the camera. However, in at least three occassions, she completely ignored the question and just launched into her talking points, which (a) on one hand was a good strategy, and she did it without fumbling around, which made it hard to remember what the actual question was, and (b) annoyed the hell out of me.

She also clearly wasn't listening at all to what Biden was saying (looking happily into the camera while he was breaking down, talking about his family and losing a child); she had the most trouble in her follow-up comments, which often had nothing to do with what Biden had been talking about ("Let me return to taxes").

She has the ability to talk about anything and give the impression that she knows what she is talking about. I'm not belittling that; it is a great skill to have.

I thought Biden did a fine job as well. He did a good job at kind of ignoring her, and talking about McCain and his policies, and trying to differentiate the Democratic ticket. He got out his talking points and didn't show disrespect to his opponent.

 

I think it is pretty hard for McCain or Palin to win the debate even if they really do win the debate. All the channels have all these democrats talking about how Obama and Biden won the debate when they really didn't. I do think both debates were close and I don't really think they make any difference except for people especially the republican base to have more faith in Palin. I have said for a long time Obama is going to win and now the question is how big of a win for Obama. It could be close or a landslide. I just think with the economy McCain is going to lose points more all the time.

 

Actually the idea originated at least as far back as the Gladiators of Rome.

You seem a little paranoid.

 

I don't get the emphasis on "winning" and "losing." They aren't competing against each other. Their job is just to present their views to the American people, and allow voters to accurately differentiate among their policies and positions.

 

I dunno I agree with Biden winning this one. The McCain/Obama won was closer, but I also found that one more frustrating to watch. I think I would give a slight edge to McCain.

 

Frank Luntz's focus group got shown as a farce during the primaries.

 

She didn't get killed, so she won.

Next Tuesday, Town hall with Tom Brokaw. McCain's specialty.

 

all this "she won because she didnt sound like as much of an idiot as she did in her interview" shit is fucking hilarious. she is completely full of shit, and waaaay over her head. how anyone could vote for a 72 year old mccain with her a heartbeat away from being president is beyond my comprehension.

 

if you lose 100-0 or 1-0 its still a loss.

 

again, it was a narrow win for Biden if you're just barely go on the content (or flip it the other way depending on who you talk to). If a guy with his experience in washington and politics can't totally destroy someone who is "full of shit and waaay over her head", then she must be doing something right.

 

Joe Biden didn't ask a dead man to pull a Lazarus, so he won.

 

Biden won the CBS poll 46-21. (and also won the CNN poll I'm told).

I guess Biden actually managed to win the debate, even with Sarah Palin not sounding like a complete idiot like in the Couric interview.

Game over.

 

Yeah, and a guy with essentially two full years in the Senate and no track record whatsoever is that much better. Si se puede!

She didn't lose

 

Internet polls are useless as various message boards flood the results with bot attacks.

 

I don't think you understand me. I'm not saying she wasn't looked down upon and that expectations for her weren't low. I'm saying that I don't think she's had much effect on the race.

 

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I think she has been having a negative effect on the race due to previous interviews. People saw her and questioned McCain's decision. This debate, while it doesn't answer all questions, shows that she is not a complete idiot at least in the frame of reference of this debate.

There were even reports about how people in the GOP were questioning how well she could hold. Many undecided voters who were GOP leaning were probably more assured that she didn't fall on her face.