Republicans: Why are you voting for John McCain

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  1. maxiep

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    What would you say about Sen. McCain's decision to remain a prisoner when he was offered to "cut the line" by the NVA because of his father?

    Also, do you consider Barack Obama to be a hero?
     
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    Not just McCain, I love all of America for what they did for my country. :cheers:
     
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    I guess I'm just skeptical that we've heard the entire story. At that point in his life, McCain was only interested in himself. Personal glory. Avoiding responsibility. He himself wrote that ON HIS OWN he offered to give the enemy information if they would take him to the hospital. I've heard that, had he accepted this "offer," he would have violated the rules of combat, would have had to admit to certain things on behalf of the U.S. Government, and quite possibly would have been court-martialled upon returning to the U.S. I don't know whether that is true or not, but given his background and history up until that point, I'm skeptical that he was really ready to do something heroic. It's hard to cite sources on this stuff without evoking reactions on how all the sources are biased, so let's just leave it at "I'm skeptical."

    [p.s., there's nothing wrong with not being a hero. Not many people are. There's also nothing wrong with making mistakes when you're young. Everyone--well, most everyone--learns from their experiences and they make us who we are. Even if it is true that McCain cowardly ran away from the carnage on his ship when it was on fire, and hid while others were dying, as alleged in Rolling Stone, it wouldn't preclude him from the presidency. It just makes him not a hero.]

    And on that point, no, I don't consider Obama to be a hero. Being a hero is not a prerequisite to being a candidate. In fact, if there was one person on the national ticket that I would consider a hero, it would be Biden. In my book, every dedicated single parent is a hero, because they willingly sacrifice a large part of their lives and ambitions for the sake of others. Clearly, Biden was a dedicated parent.
     
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    Sounds like some swiftboating going on here.
     
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    A tactic you whole-heartedly endorsed when Bush/Rove were doing it to Kerry. ;)
     
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    Go for it. I'm not being hypocritical like those who did complain but don't now.
     
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    Complain about what? Obama is not doing it. I personally didn't object to posters in 2004 characterizing Kerry however they liked. I thought it was a dirty tactic by the Bush campaign, but I don't see Obama's campaign lining up veterans to lie (based on what they said decades ago) about McCain.
     
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    Gen. Wesley Clark was the first.

    The group that went after Kerry wasn't affiliated with the Bush campaign, it was a 527 group.
     
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    Shame on him, too, then.

    Yes, that's the way Rove works. The "McCain fathered an illegitimate black baby" rumours also had supposedly unknown provenance. It was pretty clear to most people that Bush's campaign was the source.
     
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    That's the way Obama works. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth had gone after Kerry for 3 decades before his presidential run, and in all sorts of venues. I don't think Rove cared about them all that time to have somehow been the source of all that.
     
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    Not that I've seen. I've seen nothing in the media about McCain being a fairly poor soldier until this week and the Rolling Stone article.

    Since Nixon organized them, yes. Rove dug them up and put them back into play.
     

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