Wow, McCain Finally Gets A Hit

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  1. Denny Crane

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    But he opposes vouchers, which is basically the same thing as helping students with college loans.
     
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    I don't know, you tell me. Were taxes flat? If no, then he was punishing success as well.
     
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    Yes.

    The NASDAQ crashed in 2000, dropping 35% in 3 months starting on April 14th (day before tax day).
     
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    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

    Although I don't know why the debate is taking this route, I would like to think that McCain could come up with something better to attack him on. Sure its an economy issue, but not the most relevant one.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Vouchers are simply an attempt to privatize education. Stop funding public schools and give the children of working class families vouchers that won't cover private school tuitions. Good way to take education away from those who can't afford private schools.
     
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    Yes, because public schools are fan-tastic! :sigh:
     
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    So your argument is fuck the kids, the system is all that matters.

    Vouchers good ONLY for public school choice would be a huge change for the better.
     
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    What's the relevance? They largely suck, but it's superior to children of poor families receiveing no education at all. Education needs to be overhauled, not simply have the children of poor families dumped.
     
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    The problem is greed. If we taxed everyone 20%, the people at the bottom would be hit hard. We need to have a graduated tax system, because frankly, those who can pay more, should pay more. But we need to have a progressive system, where the tax rate is calculated by a formula. That way we can work on eliminating situations where people will try to stay under a certain tax bracket.
     
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    The funny thing is, with a cascading tax system, I don't feel bad about poor schools in bad neighborhoods. Rich people = pay higher percentage, get better schools. Poor people = get handouts and lower tax rates, get shit schools.

    Kind of infinite justice.
     
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    No that's John McCain's platform!

    :drumroll:

    JK.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    That's the opposite of what I said. I pointed out that vouchers are simply a way to dump children of poor families from education. Therefore, opposing vouchers is an argument in the interest of children.

    There are still private schools for those who wish to pay for them and can afford them.
     
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    Yes, because school vouchers will make poor children receive no education whatsoever. Choice of schools and a voucher system is an overhaul. Unless you want to keep things as they are.
     
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    Yes, they'll end up in orphanages eating GRUEL. There are a host of private school options. they are not all expensive....a voucher system can fund new private school ventures.
     
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    You can't honestly believe that.

    How does getting lower taxes compensate for a shitty education? That causes an endless cycle of poverty.
     
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    When the vouchers don't cover private school tuition and public schools are phased out, that is indeed the result.
     
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    Lets not pretend that you can't get a good education at a public school. I went to a public school that was labeled failing, based on the test scores. I think I got a fine education. The teachers did a fine job teaching, even if we were using a bit outdated textbooks. Vouchers are not going to make students stop skipping school. Vouchers are not going to make students do their homework. That has to come from primarily the student and to a lesser extent their parents.
     
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    I don't care if the people at the bottom get hit hard. It should be an equal system. They'll work harder to get more money. Every gets taxed at the same rate, the rich pay more, the poor pay less as a total amount. Maybe not compared to now, but at least it does not reward mediocrity.
     
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    The vouchers will cover a school where the parents can choose from a host of options. What is this, 19th century England? please.
     
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    I agree. I believe that school should not be mandatory. Allied trade schools to learn real skills, not shit they won't ever use. They should be ultracompetative environments like in India and Japan.
     

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