See that's the whole point, you don't care that much about the military, so what they think is no significance to you. It's like a bunch of bums talking in the streets, (who could be hired to kill, and each get a vote).
Oh, noes, I've disrespected the military by not seeking their counsel on who I should vote for. Sure. barfo
The US Military.....is.......supporting (backing up, are for)......John McCain.......3....to........1.........that is. Get it?
No one said seek their counsel, I said they are supporting him, gave you the article, the link, plus a pdf file to see for yourself. You came with reply telling us that it doesn't matter because we only hire them to kill so their opinion really doesn't matter. But you really love to twist things around don't you barfo? Here is your post again
No, that isn't the answer. Let's try again. What is the significance of the military (supposedly) supporting McCain? barfo
That's correct! Very good. Now, explain why their collective opinion about politics matters. barfo Edit: well, mostly correct. I said die, you said kill.
It doesn't matter. So why are we talking about it? 1) It shows a demographic of society that some people (perhaps not you, but still...) find interesting, even if they don't agree with. 2) If someone were to say (and I think I've seen it somewhere here) that percentages among white voters making less than 50k are 4% in favor of Obama, I'm not sure there would be a backlash. Wait, there was, and there wasn't a backlash. Why not? No one to say "we just hire those people to be our grocery store clerks and plumbers, not to tell us how to vote"? 3) It could spark discussion about why one segment of the population is heavily behind the minority candidate, or why it seems to be very closely drawn across racial lines, even though the military is perhaps the most successfully integrated aspect of our society. But, whatever. As Kerry said, it's just a bunch of people who meet the following criteria: “You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”
I'm baffled as to what interpretation you could put on it that would be despicable. Did you think I was saying that soldiers shouldn't have the right to vote? That could be called despicable, I guess, but it seems like a stretch that that would be what I meant. Do you have some other interpretation in mind? Moi? Let's try, shall we? News: Katrina victims favor Obama 3-1. Conservative: Who cares? The victims of Katrina aren't going to choose our president for us. News: Kids in the inner city favor Obama 3-1 Conservative: Who cares? The kids in the inner city aren't going to choose our president for us. I don't see the problem. Those are simply true statements (although with a broad enough definition of kids, maybe the second one isn't completely true). barfo
That's fair, and an appropriate response to my "who cares?" would have been "I care". Given the context of the board, I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that this was being presented as evidence of McCain's chances in the election, rather than a military-interest story. The difference is that white voters making less than $50K are a significant swing voting block; active duty military are not. Those would be interesting discussions. barfo
Let's try and be honest, for once, okay, barfo? In your examples above, you conveniently left out the kind of outrageous statement that you made about our troops, i.e. that we "hire them to fight and die for us." Without the whole quote, the context is not the same, and the statement doesn't have the same kind of impact. But you know that, don't you? I suspect that you know exactly what made your original statement so offensive, and now you are playing games with us. I have said all I'm going to on this topic, so good evening.
Being against raping, murdering and pillaging means one is "nuts" in your view? I suspect most of the world disagrees with that assessment.
What does that say about the Fox News/Rasmussen poll which is conducted by a network clearly backing McCain and have Obama up by 6 points?
Barfo said: Who cares? We hire those kids to fight and die for us, not to choose our president for us. Who cares (whom each of them supports)? Not me, nor do I care whom anyone else supports. I'm pretty certain I know better than most people. We hire those kids to fight and die for us. Not by choice I don't, and I'm outraged that they claim that I have anything to do with them murdering people in Iraq. I don't support their actions (other than with taxes against my wishes), and am appalled that they have no moral compass that tells them when using the excuse "just following orders" puts them in the company of Hitler's troops. Right is right and wrong is wrong, but wrong is the path of least resistance, and the road most often travelled by cowards.
"they have no moral compass that tells them when using the excuse "just following orders" puts them in the company of Hitler's troops" Sometimes I wish I could tell when people actually meant some of the spew put onto this board, and when they're joking, trying to pull the chain of others. I just had my chain pulled for a second. Well done. Lemme guess...you don't want your taxes to pay for policemen, either? Because they kill people sometimes? Do you not like doctors, because in the course of their work people sometimes die? The military has more restrictive laws governing its behavior than you do. (Just off the top of my head...drug use, "prejudicial to good order and discipline", sodomy, etc) Are there those who do bad things? Yes. Are they caught and punished? ALmost 100% of the time. You probably have no idea, but most defense counsels would like their military clients tried in civil courts, since in the military you generally don't get off because you luckily found the stupid end of the jury pool that week. Oh yeah, and if you "just follow" an illegal order, you're held responsible.
I think most people prefer to be tried in civil trials because there is much greater transparency than in military tribunals. That's why citizens are given the right to a civil trial and cannot be tried by military tribunals.
There is a large difference between a "tribunal" and a court martial. "Tribunals" are not generally for military members. "Much greater transparency"? I'm not sure how you can say that, unless you have been a part of both. Me? Never been in a tribunal. Been in a few "non-judicial punishments", one court-martial, and no civil trials (though I saw most of OJ)
