The Ultimate Fighter - Season 8

Discussion in 'MMA - Mixed Martial Arts' started by Celtic Fan, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. speeds

    speeds $2.50 highball, $1.50 beer Staff Member Administrator GFX Team

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    C'mon, it's not a BJJ match. Efrain was in a variety of top positions and threw how many strikes? Attempted how many submissions? He had nothing for Nelson on top. It wasn't until he was on bottom position that he did anything, and that was only once he figured he'd won both rounds so he had nothing to lose. Safe fighter.
     
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    It's not a BJJ match, but it's easier to get a good submission or get some good strikes in from a better or more dominant position. BJJ is also a very big part of the MMA scene, so he was trying to do something to better the fight for himself. Sitting there throwing fists in a half guard, you can only do so much from it, only Randy Couture trained guys are good at inflicting damage from the half guard. So the most sensible thing was to get a better position where he could get in a good submission. He most certainly wasn't just laying there though, trying to improve position is doing something.
     
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    It's not just me and Junie that think he was L&P'ing in that fight.


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    Efrain is gonna get KTFO by a striker thats not afraid of the takedown sooner or later on the show with the way he leans way to the right when hes trying to avoid strikes.
     
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    Looks like Junie is going to survive his latest incident based on Dana's comments to the media this week. Doesn't mean he's going to win his fights, though.

    Also, Junie isn't "the next Anderson Silva". So it isn't Junie or Joe Duarte. Guess it's still up in the air. Who could it be?
     
  6. Celtic Fan

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    maaaaaaaaan this episode is going to be great.. just for having Anderson Silva in it :D

    you see how fast he is? gawd
     
  7. valo35

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    There really isn't a fighter from Team Mir that I like, I think they are all a bunch of douchebags, and have no respect at all. Not one of them showed a legend like Nog, who has done as much as you can in this business, it's just not cool. I like Big Nog, and I hope he knocks out Frank Mir, Mir is just a giant dick I can't stand him. I mean seriously Mir, your only in this competition and being in the fight because you scored a win over a UFC newcomer that had never really seen BJJ in his life. Bet money Mir couldn't beat Lesnar again if he tried.

    That sucks, I was hoping Shane would win that fight, but he didn't do to good. Elliot stayed attached to his back and just kept on until he could get that rear choke actually locked in.
     
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  8. Celtic Fan

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    aww we don't know all of the Mir guys yet and I still like Krystof, he's just purposely trying to play some psychological warefare on team Nog.
     
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    Even if Junie doesnt lose next week I am really hoping that delgado guy gives him a nice little beating before hand. Also it seems like Mir will act like a big dick along with Junie by questioning Delgado's BJJ black belt. Nog is such a better coach, hes trying to be respectful to all the fighters regardless of teams and Mir is going around questioning peoples credentials.
     
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    speeds $2.50 highball, $1.50 beer Staff Member Administrator GFX Team

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    A black belt is a big deal. There are only a couple hundred black belts in the world, IIRC, and many of them aren't trainers in the US, so if Delgado has one, he had to have been given it by another black belt, and Mir would probably recognize the name. Its a shitty thing to do, to call somebody into question like that, but a) we don't know what led up to that and b) these guys, especially grapplers like Mir and his assistant coach Rob Drysdale, take that shit seriously.
     
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    BJJ practicioners take the sport very seriously and they don't want their martial art to become another sport with "Mc Dojo's" where any monkey can be a blackbelt in 3 years. They want the sport to remain pure and a life long discipline where you have to put in numerous years to perfect the art (unless you're a prodigy like BJ Penn of course).

    American Top Team, started handed out licenses to Martial Arts academy's to teach the basics of BJJ after the leaders of those Academy's attended a weekend training session. Thus these Mc Dojo's started posting ATT credentials at their facilities. This really pissed off a lot of BJJ guys and there was a backlash about it.

    Yes calling into question someone's black belt is a dick move, but anyone who has earned it, will quickly say who gave it to them with pride because they are not easy to come by.. just ask GSP ;)
     
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    Maybe it was because he was sore from having to cut all the weight, but Junie most certainly wasn't as good as advertised. He didn't look to even care about knocking the dude out in the first round, he had a chance to end it in the second round and couldn't. The third round he looked just tired the entire time. Hopefully next time we see better from him, you can tell he does have KO power though, that's for sure. He will handle the weight better, and will look good, hopefully. Other than that, he wasn't what I was expecting to see. Efrain was much more impressive in his win.
     
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    I think it was the drop.. he should have finished that fight sooner as Roli keep his hands at his sides a lot.
    Still was a good back and forth fight. Roli needs to work on his take downs in a big way.
    At least Junie recognized that Roli put up a good fight and was less disrespectful after the fight.

    his antics before the fight were immature and horribly disrespectful.
     
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    Yeah, he really upset Big Nog and Anderson Silva, and Frank Mir seemed disrespected by it also. So he pissed the three biggest legends in there, as well as Nog's boxing coach who is old as dirt.

    On a side note, does MMA not speak to how much American's are jackasses? The most respectful people in MMA are the non-americans. George St. Pierre, Anderson Silva, Big Nog these guys are all as nice and respectful as can be. Then you have idiots like Junie, Leben, Hughes, Serra, Brock Lesnar, the jackasses of the sport are all American.
     
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  15. Celtic Fan

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    yeah, really exposes American culture as a whole.. well at least a good portion of it.

    I'll be posting the Blogs later today... good write up in there about how Anderson Silva felt about Junie's antics ;)
     
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    There are a lot of good guys that are American, like Randy Couture, Rich Franklin, and Jon Fitch. I think its more about the discipline guys like Hughes and Lesnar coming up as wrestlers and, to be honest, I've never wrestled before but it seems a lot more competitive and about being more macho than your opponent whereas karate and BJJ seems to be based more on mutual respect and development. Leben and Junie, I think theyre just fucking around for TV. Serra, I dont think is too bad, he just really hates Hughes and is mainly a dick only to him.
     
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    I don't know what Vinny was thinking talking about Nogueira like that. He should've known it would come back to bite him pretty fast. Guys frequently switch teams or have to be coached by the other team's trainers. He shouldn't be burning bridges. Combined with Junie and Shane's antics, and the way they talk about Team Nogueira ("they're gay as hell for each other," "they're sucking each others d---s") is getting pretty distasteful. The level of disrespect coming from Team Mir is a bit troubling.

    Vinny vs. Jules was a terrible fight. I don't want to see Jules fight again.
     
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    Jules was all talk. Vinny had some sick jiu jitsu though, if that guy can put together a stand up game he could be really good.
     
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    Vinny is sick! Love his jits. After Jules felt that first kick he didn't want none anymore! haha
     
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    One thing I've noticed is I think I've seen Lyoto Machida train with the Nogueira guys in a few episodes but they didn't do like an official spotlight on him like they did with Silva. You'd think it would be a good way to hype up Machida a bit, I mean that guy is gonna challenge for the LHW title sometime next year probably. Maybe the guy just looked a lot like Machida.
     

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