KIDD needs to shoot more...

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  1. insider

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    Frankly I'm getting more and more disappointed with Kidd's lack of shots. I know we can't expect a 20 point performance each night, but 2 points? With only 2 shots in what was practically garbage time? Sure it's only the Bobcats, but 2 shots? Having a line of 10 dimes and 5 boards may be considered a good night for a lot of players. But Kidd is not like every other player, even at 35. I sure hope he's just pacing himself. Perhaps he would turn it on against Houston tomorrow. Dallas is struggling enough for him to take only 2 shots. I'm looking for him to take not fewer than 10 shots a night. I love Kidd and I want to believe that the Mavs can turn it around. But sorry to say, I'm having doubts. Even the forum here is on the slide. It's like looking at a scene in "I AM LEGEND". Common guys! Let's at least keep our forums alive.
     
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    Kidd is playing the same way in the regular season that he played in the Olympics, unacceptable. He needs to realize that he's not on a squad with stars now, he needs to score more in addition to dishing. Especially on nights when he goes up against the elite pgs. It's not enough for him to guard his man, he has to make them play defense on him.
     
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    Couldn't agree with you more. He needs to assert himself more on offense, scoring wise. He must make his defender work hard and not be an extra man to help. Plus, with him scoring more, his assists would also increase. Kidd is only making it tougher for himself to hand out assists with him not putting up shots. I still believe he has still enough left on the tank. I expected him to have a line of at least 12 ppg, 7 rpg, 10 apg and 2 spg. Yes, even at 35, he is still capable of putting up these numbers. With Kidd right now, it's a question of consistency with putting up shots. He wont shoot 50% from the floor every night. I don't think anybody expects that from him. But he shouldn't stop shooting. Kidd is still the key to Dallas' success. If Kidd doesn't put up his shots on a nightly basis, expect pretty much the same from Dallas. We'll be lucky to be fighting for the 8th spot if that's the case.
     
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    Kidd is not a scorer...his outside shot is usually really bad
     
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    The way I see it is, he doesn't need to score more, necessarily, but drive the ball to the basket more. By doing that, teams will collapse, and he'll be fully capable of finding an open man. If not, he can go ahead and score a few more baskets. That way, the defense will stay honest.
     
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    Kidd never, ever drives to the basket in the halfcourt. He sometimes takes it to the rim on the break, but he's a terrible finisher. He misses a ton of bunnies. He does not penetrate and kick. Basically, he's been a huge liability in the halfcourt offense since 2003.

    As for keeping defenses honest by shooting more, that is exactly what every team in the league wants him to do. Defenders literally run away from him hoping he will shoot.

    Unless he's running the break or posting up a smaller defender, Kidd is a huge minus whenever he's on the court.
     
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    Kidd never, ever drives to the basket in the halfcourt. He sometimes takes it to the rim on the break, but he's a terrible finisher. He misses a ton of bunnies. He does not penetrate and kick. Basically, he's been a huge liability in the halfcourt offense since 2003.

    As for keeping defenses honest by shooting more, that is exactly what every team in the league wants him to do. Defenders literally run away from him hoping he will shoot.

    Unless he's running the break or posting up a smaller defender, Kidd is a huge minus whenever he's on the court.
     
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    That's precisely what Kidd has to do, shoot. He won't always miss and Kidd can score in bunches. Not taking shots only makes it easier for the defense to cheat. You just can't sit back all game long and let Kidd throw up shots. Kidd can still score, make no mistake about that. As for being a "huge minus on the court", that is the farthest thing from the truth. It is well publicized on how Dallas falls apart when Kidd is on the bench.
     
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    What are you talking about? Of course the other team can sit back and let Kidd take wide open shots. That's called taking advantage of a liability. Every shot Kidd takes increases the chances that the Mavericks will lose.

    If the Mavs struggle when he's not in the game, it's only because they have no better option. Kidd still contributes more with his rebounding and great anticipation for where the ball will go and his ability to convert turnovers into points than his backups can. It doesn't mean he's a good player. He's not.
     
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    Like I said, Kidd will not always miss. Check the stats, Kidd has been shooting the ball better than ever. The problem is, his lack of shots. What do you mean not having better options? Jason Kidd is the key to this team. Not a good player? At 35, he's better than a lot of players right now. How many players can fill up a stat sheet the way he does? Oh, but your probably about the scoring. You'd probably take a guy who can give you 25 points, no boards, no dimes and who takes a lot of shots a night over someone who can only produce 12 points but with 8 boards, 9 assists and 2 steals right? Figures. If you think Jason Kidd is not a good player. Then you don't have a clue of what is. Or maybe the people that will vote him into the Hall of Fame are idiots. :crazy:
     
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    What does Kidd not being a good player now have to do with him going to the Hall of Fame? Bill Russell sucks now. Jerome James could dunk on his head.

    I would rank Kidd in the bottom third of starting PGs in the NBA. To me that means he's not a good player.

    You have pointed out why he is no good. He can't keep defenses honest. He is only useful playing in a system that features him, but he is no longer good enough to warrant that. In the halfcourt offense he is useless. He cannot finish at the basket, and if his jumper actually is "better than ever" (which is highly doubtful but hard to determine with such a small sample size) that isn't saying much. If Kidd isn't getting offensive boards or posting up a smaller player (which is rare), all he's doing is hurting you.

    Defensively, he's a mess. He is a pylon for smaller guards. He's not even quick enough to corral them towards the help defender. He has to lag waaaay off and he is one of the slowest players in the league closing out to the perimeter. How many quick guards have lit him up from three in the last four years? Those guys lick their chops when they see him.

    Look, he's not a scrub. Kidd can still be a key member of a good team if used situationally - but he's getting 36 MPG. That's not going to do anything but cause the Mavericks to miss the playoffs and hasten his decline even further.
     
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    Did you read the title of the thread? "Kidd needs to shoot more". With Kidd shooting more, especially in the halfcourt set, this would open up more options for him. So defense would not constantly cheat off-him. His shooting better doesn't say much? It says everything. He has to shoot more. Man, you're stepping all over your points.
     
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    Since the other team's game plan is always to have Kidd shoot more, I fail to see how obliging them will help the Mavericks win.
     
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