We are allowing a team 83 points in a half. A player 20 points and 10 rebounds in the first half. We are allowing one player get 22 assists in a game. And we are on a losing streak. Biedrins is playing bad, Maggette is crap, Jackson is a turnover machine, Crawford hasn't had a good shooting game yet, and Don Nelson's coaching has been horrid to say the least. What the hell is going on? Are the Warriors starting to become one of the worst teams in the league?
Okay, I will finally agree with those of you who are ticked off with Don Nelson. This game was a fuckin barf bag. Tonight, Don Nelson looked like a fuckin doofus. This was about the most poorly coached and poorly played game in the history of the NBA. This is the ROCK BOTTOM of the season. I was joking when I predicted the line-up with Azubuike and Mags at PF and no Wright/Randolph/Turiaf against the Knicks. But WTF???? Was he serious? Tim Thomas and David Lee and Wilson Chandler DOMINATED the Warriors inside with a 59-48 Rebounding ass-whooping. If you're seriously not going to play Wright alongside Biedrins in that situation, then you're a fuckin ass-munch, Nellie. Just when Randolph begins sparking this team, you pull him. You start Belly and pull him without a chance. You put in Wright only to pull him in a moment's notice. You play Maggette and Crawford 42 minutes each, even though they are not making their teammates any better. Maggettee is the ultimate stat-monster on a losing team. He does everything to put up 20 points, yet also does everything he can to make his teammates worse. He is the ultimate garbage-time scorer on a losing team (see Clippers), only he plays that way during meaningful minutes when the season is still young. OMG! I would HATE to play alongside Maggettee. He's worse than Baron in that regard. I knew it was a mediocre deal when it was done. Now I know it was an awful deal. He'll have nights where he'll score 30, yet, as long as Maggettee stays on this team, they have NO CHANCE whatsoever of ever making the playoffs. Period. Mags = +1 in the Loss Column Brandon Wright played 6 minutes! Is Nellie on some little highschool panty-in-a-wad ego trip or something? i used to think that was all bull, now I think he's just intentionally making the worst-possible coaching decisions possible, just to spite Mullin. The Knicks looked fuckin fantastic tonight!! Amazing!! The Knicks!! They just sh!t on Nellie and his band of spirit-less "Warriors" It's funny because I'm ranting and raving, yet I'm not being dramatic. It's just true. This is weird. I feel sorry for Biedrins. He looks plain beat-up and he's getting NO help from Nellie. Asking Maggette to get Biedrins' back is like asking a dog not to eat a glob of peanut butter right in front of its face. You can ask, but it ain't going to happen. Maggette just plain let Beidrins down, time and time again. Some of the most despicable defense I've ever seen. The 13-win season Warriors still played better defense than this. Maggette threw an indifferent behind-the back-pass to Azibuike with about 2:30 left in the 4th quarter, GS down 10 points. It was a careless, "this game's over anyway" type of pass that Az had to stretch to save from going out of bounds. MAggette kind of had that smirky look like "it's all fun and games." The problem was that the Warriors still had a chance to come back and he's already mailing it in with his attitude. This from a guy who was supposed to "set the tone" in the locker room with his work ethic. He's setting a tone, alright: Get your points and get out. Fuck your teammates and Fuck the win-loss column. Get yo' points, playa. That's all that matters. Go Warriors! .
This team has a lot of talent, but I think Don Nelson's game plan does not fit with this club. Each of the players lack clearly defined roles... By playing Maggette at majority minutes at PF, it limits his effectiveness and we get killed inside with nobody to patrol the paint. Coach should have played Turiaf at starting power forward, but Nelson is being a retard thinking putting 4 of the same style of player on the floor will change our offensive production and make us score better. What it does is kill our defensive toughness, screws up our team roles, and makes it harder to swing the ball around because nobody can draw anybody inside the paint down low. All I can say is Don Nelson is vastly overrated without a playmaker on his team. I've seen several teams do a lot better and they had no real point guards. It's because they improved their defense and rebounding. Just look at the Pistons, Boston, Spurs. Those teams probably have more talent, but they all focus on defense first. We're trying to go smaller which screws up everyone's effectiveness on both ends of the floor. I say fire Nelson. If this team cannot move forward without him, then this franchise ownership really does suck.
I love Maggette, I just can't stand using him at PF. His role at that position makes no sense. When he plays SF or post up power guard, that makes all the sense in the world. But not in Nelly's deranged mind. Nelly should just roll with this lineup, it makes all the sense in the world: PG: CJ Watson SG: Sjax SF: Maggette PF: Turiaf/Wright C: Biedrins C: Turiaf PF: Wright/Randolph SF: Anthony Randolph/Azu SG: Kelenna Azubuike/Belinelli/Morrow PG: Jamal Crawford/Belinelli
Good points by all. I feel really, really deceived by Nellie. These are outright ridiculous decisions (or non-decisions) being made. Nellie is absolutely killing the future of Wright, Randolph, and even Marco. Why did he start Marco only to play him 8 minutes? Ridiculous. I've never seen such blatant bad coaching my life...seriously. By a supposed hall of fame coach. C'mon Nellie, you can't be serious. I guess we can trace this back to Robert Rowell. I hope that guy gets run out of town with all the marvelous roster decisions he has made. Sorry, CR2, but I am jumping off the Maggette bandwagon (if there ever was one). The guy is on the wrong team and is absorbing the minutes of our future potential stars, regardless of what position he plays. If Sjax continues his "it ain't me" rants, then I'm done with him too. He was all talk about his "natural leader(ship)" ability. The guy is turning out to be a whiner who doesn't know the word "accountability." In fact, I wonder if anyone with some sort of power in this franchise knows what that word means. Certainly not Cohan and Rowell.
You should have seen the pass Maggette tried to make that ended up in the stands on the baseline. That pass was 10 times worse than that behind the back pass, which was a bad pass as well. Maggette shows me the same (this is a bit over condescending perhaps) "loser" mentality that reminds me of Al Harrington. Bob Fitzgerald even called Maggette Al Harrington at one point, I guess by mistake. I would like to see the Warriors replace Kurr with Hendrix soon, if Hendrix keeps playing how he did in the first game in Bakersfield. Maybe they will need Demarcus' defense as well. Who knows? They can't play the pick 'n roll to save their life, and the defense Nelson is trying to use is not working. If it is the same defense they had last year, it doesn't seem to be working because the team is smaller than last season. There is no Matt Barnes, Mickael Pietrus, or Al Harrington to help on the boards, or at least be a presence in there, which were important in the defense used last season (and maybe Brandan Wright hasn't really picked that defense up yet). Morrow has been the team's second best rebounder in several games already. The team needs to work a lot on the fast break as well. This team is slow and/or just need to pass the ball up the floor like Barnett is saying.
Wright does still get beat on defense, mostly when he has his back to the defender. But, he's pretty good coming at them with the blocks (#5 in BLK/48) and altered shots. Much better than Maggette or any of these other fake PFs Nellie is throwing out there. Take that into consideration with his efficient scoring (59% FG), running on the break, and decent rebounding, and there's no reason he shouldn't be starting and playing 25+ minutes per game.
Can someone pull a quote from Nellie in pre-season that says after 30 games, if the W's are not winning, he would start playing the kids? If that's what he said, then I'll give him until then. If he doesn't live up to his word, then I'm done with this fiasco.
Wright, Turiaf, and Randolph are three fantastic shot blockers. I would like to see more of those three as the PF as well since Maggette and Azubuike have not stepped up to the plate to be effective enough at that position. We need another rebounder because the opponent is taking Biedrins out of the play because he is helping too much and more often than not it seems like it's always 2 opponents vs Biedrins fighting for the rebound. Even when the Warriors have had numbers on the boards, no one is boxing out or being physical enough and often I've also seen one opponent grab the rebound between two or three Warriors who should have grabbed the board. Also, even though all three are great shot-blockers, they have big flaws on defense, and aren't the best of defenders since Wright and Randolph are a bit too weak and Turiaf is kind of short. I think the zone is the defense for this team, or just straight up man-to-man defense. The team has been struggling adapting this defense of extreme rotations. Maggette is slow in reacting to loose balls and potential plays, and no one is closing out on shooters and the pick 'n roll is killing the team.
Don Nelson is not the coach the Warriors need right now. Nelson is a coach that can come in and make a team that looks like crap (warriors:no playoffs for over a decade) into a playoff team. After a while, he because more stubborn and the team starts to lose and underachieve. Look at the Mavericks, they didn't do shit with Nellie, and it looks like Golden State will be doing the same. He plays his most of his starters 40 plus minutes a night. The only one that he doesn't play as much is the rookie. It's happened before to Brandan Wright, Marco Belinelli, and was bound to happen to Anthony Morrow if he didn't score 37 points in that start. Even after Morrow scored 37, he has barely played since. Andris Biedrins was playing well in the start of the season because unlike Maggette/Azubuike, Al Harrington could play power forward somewhat, and Biedrins played well with the help of Harrington. Ever since he got traded, Maggette and Azubuike have been relied on as power forwards and Biedrins is struggling without any help in the paint. The solution to the problem, Brandan Wright. Yeah, the guy that has been rotting on the bench for a while now. He needs to fucking start, but Nelson doesn't realize that Biedrins is struggling and goes back to small ball. At least use Turiaf more often. Tonight during the Knicks game, we were close to a comeback and went on a mini surge fueled by the rookie Anthony Randolph. What does Nelson do? He takes Randolph out and the team looses momentum and the Knicks go on a run. This is the reason why Nellie has never won a ring and most likely never will. Since we aren't gonna do shit this season anyways, we might as well fire this guy and try and pick up a coach that will let the young players play and let the young players develop.
Hey guys I haven't posted here in probably a year or 2, but wanted to guage things regarding the current situation with the Dubs. Wow!! Just wow!! I'm pleased to read that I'm not crazy and I agree whole heartedly with most of the takes. It's amazing how so many knowledgeable fans are coming to similar conclusions, but the HOF coach can't see what's happening right in front of him. I mean either it's a masterful plan of tanking with veterans or it's just plain stupidity? I'm torn right now.
Just awful. Its not even like making sure you get a "4" in there with Biedrins at "5"; its about putting the 5 best players out there that give you the best chance to win. Maggette at 4? Ridiculous, its awful. If you are getting pounded on the glass, obviously you need to get either bigger or hustle more (Little guys can block out big guys if they have the proper technique.) Warriors are getting neither. There is a reason that Crawford and Maggette have never played on a winner. They get beautiful numbers but lose. The NBA history has tons of those guys. Now the Warriors have become a way station for such players. (As much as I appreciate Monta's skills; around these guys he's going to be the guy who gets 20 ppg but simply does not try on defense; he's shown that inclination before; it will be in full bloom on a losing team.)
We all anticipated that post-Davis era would be rough, but this rough? We are getting blown out by bad teams, and we really didn't play against elite teams yet. Yeah, Nelson is getting stubborn with his line up, and sooner or later, he has to understand that our small just isn't good enough to play small ball. Maggette is too good to be on the bench, but not too good enough to make this team a winner, and his signing may doom this club...
Just as an outside observer, I've felt that the Warriors have lacked a consistent direction since their '06 playoff run. I think Mullin was able to recognize the deficiencies of that team after they were eliminated by Utah. And his moves since then seem to have been aimed at adding some interior toughness and defense, while retaining most of the offensive firepower that took out the Mavericks. Nelson, on the other hand, looks to be firmly in denial over any weaknesses with his run-and-gun coaching philosophy. As a result, you have him completely ignoring or misusing a third of the roster Mullin's built, in order to stubbornly cling to his old ways. The franchise can't really make any progress until they get their GM and coach on the same page IMO.
It's not just small ball as the culprit. To Nellie's credit he has gone to youngsters more than he ever has since coming back. But..........But.............He's not consistant with minutes at all to go along with the small line-up. The entire roster, including Jax has no idea what minutes or position they'll be playing on a given night. They don't know who'll be next to them out there which hurts chemistry. guys need to know their roles and they need to stay in positions where they can succeed. Small ball is for a change of pace (every team does it now, cept the Celts) and it's fine as a tool, but not as the main weapon. Nellie will eventually have no choice but to go with 2 bigs at almost all the time I hope. He seems to be finally admitting to himself that the small ball gimmick doesn't work with this group.
When I said it earlier, everyone jumped down my throat. This isn't Nelly's fault alone. It starts at the top. Cohan made the same stupid mistake again with Rowell that he did with Twardzick. Until that changes, the Warriors are doomed to mediocrity at BEST
One huge difference now is that Pietrus/Barnes >>>> Maggette/Azubuike in terms of hustle, defense, and rebounding. Plus of course, before it was Baron/Ellis in the backcourt. However, I think Nellie needs to change to meet the players' strengths, not make they play to his system.
You could have any coach in the league and this team would still stink. This is the NBA. 2 players on this team have any kind of serious NBA experience (and they're playing out of position). The rest are underweight kids, role-players, and D-leaguers. The only true talent on the team is too dumb to know that he needs to stay off mopeds. Honestly guys, face-it, The front office made terrible moves this off-season and jacked up ticket prices to boot. We shouldn't blame anyone but Cohan, Rowell and ourselves for not raising more of a stink for all of the off-season moves.
