OK. Can you name a retired player that has had more team and individual success that is NOT in the HoF? There aren't too many that I can think of. There's no way that THE key player is a determinant of HoF status. Look at the number of key players in championship teams in the last two decades... Jordan, Pippen, DRob, Duncan, Hakeem, Shaq, Kobe. Maybe a Celtic or two from last year. Rasheed was as important to the Pistons' championship as any single player. I don't think that this ALONE, though, is enough to make him a borderline HoFer. So all of the quotes from players and coaches over the years about Rasheed being a great defender meant... what? Feel free to see the types of players that are ahead of him on each of those lists. While there are outliers (lots of three point specialists, for example) in order to get to that level on so many key statistical rankings is an uncommon thing. Counting his longevity against him doesn't really make much sense to me, either. Ed O.
Yes, birth control is a dual responsibility, but ask straight women how many men they've known who actively took responsibility or even asked the woman if she was using contraceptives; they just assume it's up to her. (Steve Garvey, another deadbeat dad athlete, said that in so many words.) The women had to go to court for child support from a millionaire. They carried pregnancies for 9 months, went through labor, and are now raising 7 children as single parents. So they have sure taken on responsibilities. All Kemp had to do was sign the check and he refused. Not an equivalent.
i think we need to retire sheed's number. i mean look at how his blazer totals rank in history of the blazers!!
One player that quickly comes to mind is Terry Porter. How about Sabonis? Those are two players, and that is only looking at 1 team.
I don't think that Wallace's play has much to do with his ability. I believe that the Pistons, are soon to implode. There are signs everybody is unhappy. AI. Prince. Hamilton. All of this, and Curry, seems to act the like the problem was that they were playing on Sunday. This is going to fester. Players that are on teams that are a festering disaster waiting to happen, tend not to play as hard for their coach. Wallace falls into that category.
Porter wasn't a key player on a championship team. He appeared in half as many all-star games (two) as Rasheed. Rasheed's numbers are going to be better across the board by the time he retires. Even though I think Rasheed is a superior candidate for the Hall, I would agree that Porter should be considered a borderline HoF candidate. Sabonis is a different creature. His NBA career was pathetic for a HoFer (no all-star appearances, no Finals appearances, only 314 career starts, etc.), but his international dominance might be enough to get him into contention. I know that I've put you in a tough spot, because I can disagree with any player that you throw out there... but neither of those guys are at all superior in terms of personal or team success to Rasheed. Ed O.
Rasheed deserves to have his number retired just as much as almost any other Blazer (excepting Petrie, Walton, and Drexler) IMO. Ed O.
I agree. Drexler and Walton were the only players (so far) who were clearly better than Rasheed Wallace. Petrie may have more significance to Portland, so I won't argue for or against him. I have no idea, not being a Portland fan all my life or a Portland resident.
Looking at career averages, as opposed to career totals, and using Porter's real career, before he started to deteriorate, Porter compares pretty favorably with Rasheed. Actually, looking at just their Portland careers, one could make a case for Porter. I could also Argue that Porter was a more important piece of a VERY good team than Rasheed. Interestingly, if you compare Sabonis and Rasheed while they were both on a very successful Blazers team, it is pretty clear that Sabonis was a far better player. I would say that Rasheed has had slightly more team success (difference between finals and western finals). I would also say that both Terry and Sabonis were at least as important to their team's success as Rasheed. And looking at their stats while playing in their primes (not really prime for Sabonis) their individual successes were very similar. My point is that I don't really consider Porter or Sabonis HOF candidates, and they are pretty close in successes to Rasheed.
2 way street. What kind of lazy, stupid adult female has unprotected sex, knowing full well she could get pregnant, or die from AIDS? Add to that the facts that Kemp "stands out in a crowd" as a rich meal ticket, and anyone who's had a brief conversation with him would recognize he's borderline retarded and a drug addict, and I have little to no sympathy for the mothers of his children. My sympathy lies with the children, who deserve better than either parent they got.
rasheed was great, crazy, and a pleasure to have on the team. i remember when we got him for strickland i thought it was the steal of the century, and it basically was.
