Check out this intense analysis on Oden's productivity after MF surgery: Graphing the time between when the procedure was performed and when the player first returns to an NBA game shows a clear and positive relationship. While the correlation is far from perfect, the trendline shows that on average players lose about 1% less of their pre-microfracture productivity for every extra month spent rehabbing. This is great news for Oden and the Blazers, who were very conservative following his surgery and immediately ruled him out for the entire 2007-08 season instead of trying to rush him back late in the year. On opening night, Oden will be 13-and-a-half months removed from his microfracture procedure, marking the second-longest rehab on record (Kittles, one of those two players to improve coming back, sat out 16.5 months, making him the top right dot on the chart). Additionally, that Oden will be able to ease his way back in training camp should be a positive. The way I'm calculating rehab length tends to overstate how long players who come back in camp are actually sidelined because they are testing the knee a full month before the date I use, when they play their first regular-season game. Even with this caveat, players who return in camp still tend to do better than those who return midseason. Accounting for their lengthier rehabs, the players who come back in camp would be expected to return at 90.1 percent of their pre-microfracture productivity. In fact, they've performed at a 93.0 percent level. Meanwhile, those who have returned midseason have underperformed their expected 85.7 percent of pre-surgery productivity, reaching just 83.7 percent. Based solely on the length of his rehab, Oden would be expected to lose 4.7 of his per-minute productivity following the surgery. Add in the training-camp factor and that gets as low as a negligible 1.8 percent. Of course, as the first player to undergo the procedure prior to his rookie season, Oden does not have an established level of performance, but his college numbers project very nicely indeed. Using the translation system I introduced before this year's draft, Oden rates as the second-best prospect to enter the NBA dating back through 2000. ******* Along with Oden's college profile, this suggests that he might need some time to develop into a consistent scorer in the post. However, he should be able to come in and be an elite defender in the middle fairly quickly. In the short term, his recovery from microfracture surgery should be considered a speed bump on his way to superstardom. http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=416
Based upon your calculation, that means nothing. Because your calculation means nothing as compared to the real situation. As a fan who has watched guys such as Amare Stoudemire, and Zach Randolph go through these injuries, and then perform much better in the 2nd season following the knee surgery. Did you ever consider the fact that NBA players are of such a high level, that even a couple of % would be a huge difference in their functionality on the court? This is why: For instance, if a player is missing 5% of your performance calculation. Say that 5% is enough, that their shots get blocked, or missed. Because if you can't elevate to get your shot, you can't. That is just like saying, 95% performance, is a failure. You need 100% to get your shot off. This varies from player to player, and what their limits are. So calculate all you want. It means nothing. Maybe it can be the focus of your thesis paper in mathematics though.
Whatever dude . . . not my article. Bitch all you want. It means nothing. Maybe you can stop hating so much and try to be civil though.
With Oden's inconsistency... it is almost like he is a rookie. Oh wait! I haven't been disappointed by Oden. I do think he is taking it easy a bit... and I do think Nate probably told him to. I think he is in shape but fatigued. He has never played so much in his life... and it takes time to adjust. Everything is probably sore right now. As for expectations... he seems to be on par with the #'s we predicted before the season... so why the disappointment? I think it is expectations that are out of whack... not Oden. I have mentioned before that I thought Oden would have trouble with the mental aspect of the NBA at first. The trash talking, the ultra competetive nature of it. Not only is he playing against the best players in the world... but what sets the best of the best above the many others than have the same skill... is their mental toughness. He will get it... he has just had to tame the instict for so long because of the injury I think he is just having a hard time letting go. Once he stops thinking about the game... and you have seen the game when he does that... and what he can do... he will be fine... a perfect compliment to our rising team. Kobe Bryant averaged 7 points per game as a rookie... for the whole year... and Oden doesn't shine for a few games and people 'stunned' by his suckiness? I do *know* what people are getting at... he could be better... a lot better... I actually think he *is* better... I don't think we are seeing the whole package yet... but get off his ass for Christ sakes. Stop analyzing him with a microscope. I think someone has told him all he has to do is focus on playing D and rebounding... Nate simplifying the game for him until he gets his head straight. Oden is helping us win games do... unlike perhaps a Durant throwing up a bunch of numbers on a losing team. Anyone want Durant and his 2 wins this year? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? We have a *team* and Oden is not being ask to do it all... he is being asked to be a part of a team... and as a team we are very much overachieving this year. Stunningly so.
I am commenting about one game. Can you dig? And in that one game, while Oden was patrolling the paint, the Knicks strolled into the lane for layup after layup. Did you notice Duhon go for an untouched layup? I did. On the other end Roy gets knocked around like a pinball when he dared to go into the paint. If you think Oden controlled the rim in that game I don't know what to say. Gezz people. We are allowed to comment about one game - regardless of what happened the game before.
Remember, Dudes. The big guy is coming off of Micro Fracture surgery. It took Zack two years to get his explosiveness back. It took Amare over 18 months to get his back. Darius never got his back. It is a major surgery that takes time to full heal. Plus, remember. The kid played 3/4 of a season of college ball and all of that with a broken thumb. Big men take time. A lot of time. Bynum is in his 3rd year. He is barely coming around. He has gotten better every year. Greg will be okay. He will end up averaging a double double this year. How many other Centers are going to do that? Maybe Dwight, Kaman, and possibly Shaq. Give him some time and quit your whining. This forum is turning into a bunch of over reactionary MIXUM clones.
Actually the overreaction going on is by those self-appointed Thought Police that have decreed that posters are not allowed to note when certain players have bad games. Even when the player in question tells the world they had a bad game. Gee, how to reconcile that disconnect? Flame the player? "Greg! STFU. Stop bashing Oden. Don't you know he is coming off surgery?" Get a grip people. This is a fan board, and many posters here discuss every freakin' detail of every game. That is a shit load of good game/bad game talk. Get over it or don't read it or don't contribute. Argue against the post not the poster. Example: "Greg did have a good game here is why". or "Greg was off tonight, but I expect these games for a while yet...." NOT: "Shut up" "You are dogmeat"
I enjoyed the article but I kind of agree with that statement. The BCS ratings (the Texas/Oklahoma fiasco) showed how flawed math calculations can be when it comes to sports and should be taken with a grain of salt.
I understand that people can say anything they want about a single game... but I just didn't think Oden was bad last night. He missed two dunks, but that was a pair of flukes. He wasn't aggressive offensively in the second half, but he still was a force on the boards and did at least as well as Joel in controlling the key defensively. If last night was a "stunning" game (in a bad way) for Oden, then I'm very pleased with him, indeed. Ed O.
Hey it's just my opinion and I'm definitely not looking for attention. I think it's quite obvious myself, and I've thought this for years.
I personally always thought Bonzi was gay (and had a crush on Sheed) myself. Of our current roster, Oden seems to me unlikely... or, if he is, he had one of the prettiest beards I've ever seen when I saw him at Benihana's back after he got injured.
Nah, I'm calling bullshit on this. Greg had a girlfriend at Ohio St. Some female athlete from another college. Plus his tongue tied response when he met that female rap star tells me he's into the ladies. Remember the pic of him dancing with that hot chick in the pink.. she aint no dude. I seen your post over on the other thread about the WNBA where you referred to their players as bitches.... kind of makes me question your view of the ladies. Maybe you've been thinking about it too much.
*edited: Please don't use the term 'gay' as a pejorative* . . . trying to guess (or insinuate) that a player is gay. I guess we don't have anything better to talk about? Last I checked, the team's doing really well and is 14-6 - but that's boring to talk about.
howzabout we remember what injury he actually had instead? For whatever reason it seems a lot of people have their wires crossed on that injury... Oden had surgery on his right wrist on June 16, 2006, in Indianapolis to repair a ligament injury that occurred late in his senior high school season. As a result, he sat on the bench during the beginning of the 2006-07 season with Ohio State, during which his team was ranked as high as first before losing to North Carolina http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Oden STOMP
Masbee approves of Greg's game against the Wizards. Forget the better stats. Did not anyone else notice a difference in the two games between facial expressions, body language, and movement? It seems to me in Washington he looked comfortable on the court, his moves were more crisp and deliberate, he moved quicker and ran faster, and he looked like he wanted to be there. Maybe I am imagining all this, but watching the NY game he looked strange to me, and ended up with poor game stats, in Washington he looked fine to me, normal, if you will, and ended up with good game stats.
The difference was he was aggressive in the Washington game. In the NY game he became passive after he missed his first two dunks. He played extremely passive in NY and couldn't get the ball out of his hands quick enough when the team passed in to him in the post. The Washington game he looked to be more aggressive. It was nice to see. Hopefully he does the same thing tomorrow night in Boston because the only way we win that game is if he has a big game. Boston is great at taking away your number one option (see Kobe in finals).
You're not imagining it. I saw it, too. Oden actually sprinted down the court on one play--which surprised the heck out of me. I didn't know he could run that fast. He looked smoother and more confident than the night before, but I have no idea why. Perhaps he was intimidated by the Big Apple and performing under the lights in his first game in New York??
Posey not being there anymore is significant. He was their top wing defender allowing Allen and especially Pierce to focus on the other end. STOMP
Greg actually laid the foundation stones for the Maddison Square Garden during the time it was built by the Roman Empire - he was just a little bit worried he would break it - since it took him 4 days to do it back then. It's understandable. It really is.
