Every team Miles played for, when he was healthy and productive, couldn't wait to get rid of him. He butted heads with Paul Silas in Clevelend and yelled obscenities and slurs at Mo Cheeks in Portland. It's not just the media and "clueless fans" that didn't want Miles around, it was his own coaches. The only team he ever played for that said nice things about him after he left town was Boston. But, they only had him for six preseason games (where he averaged 1.8 PPG and 1.2 RPG). Teams weren't willing to put up with Miles' insubordinate attitude when he was young, productive, athletic and full of potential. Why would someone want him now, when his ability isn't close to what it once was? Yes, people change. Maybe Miles isn't the problem child he once was, but it's also obvious he isn't the basketball player he once was either. Other than screwing Portland out of cap space, I really don't see what's in this for Memphis. There are plenty of other younger, cheaper players available to fill their 15th roster spot. One of those players might even pan out and fit into their long term plans. BNM
"Every team" meaning... two? The Clippers certainly weren't in a rush to get rid of him. How are the coaching careers of Silas and Cheeks going, by the way? Ed O.
Is a guaranteed contract dependent on a certain date or how long he plays with a team? If the latter he might get drop before they have to pay him a guaranteed contract, but then get picked up by someone else with the suspension out of the way?
No, I think they're intelligent until they argue that Outlaw is no better now than he was his rookie year. Once they say something that absurd, there's really no point in having a discussion any more. But I'll forget and forgive, because I'm nice that way, on top of knowing everything.
Still wrong. I'll speed this process up and quote the relevant text, that you clearly missed before flaming out on the thread:
Here's a link for you: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=8167 Now I'm leaving. For good this time. Seriously.
No, you've proven you can't understand arguments. I said that his production stagnated, which it did. His defense and court awareness, two non-production issues that can't be measured, have improved in my opinion. But since those two things are entirely subjective and require very close knowledge of the player, there was no point comparing those two things (defense and court awareness) with Miles. The things that can be looked at more numerically (his production) don't support your contention that Miles stagnated in a way that Outlaw did not. I'm sorry if that was too complicated for you. You seem unhappy with anything more than "Miles lazy."
You wrote his "ability" hasn't changed... That's categorically false. Ability is the power to perform or accomplish something. His ability to be a consistent jump-shooter has changed. His ability to play defense has changed. His ability to see the court has changed. His ability to dribble and drive has changed. His ability to rebound has changed. He could not do these things as well as he can now, and thus his ability has changed. Again, you're just talking in circles. Also false is you saying that his production hasn't increased. It's increased every year he's been in the NBA up to this year. I'm sorry if this too complicated for you.
Three mods here. Two who think they know everything, and the third has resigned himself to zinging one-liners.
At least as far as his production goes (scoring, rebounding, passing, limiting turnovers), it hasn't, IMO. If he were a more consistent jump-shooter, etc, it would show up in the numbers. It's gone up with minutes. If he played 48 minutes per game, it would go up more. His efficiency hasn't changed, which is why I said he's stagnated. If Miles had started at the same low number of minutes per game and raised them (rather than starting out at higher minutes), his per-game averages would have improved as well. Both players never improved significantly in terms of the production aspects of the game. Miles' minutes never changed a huge amount, so his per-game numbers never changed. Outlaw started with fewer minutes, and then increased his minutes to Miles' level, leading to a seeming improvement in his game (if you go by per-game numbers). And, again, to be clear, I think he improved on defense. But I've been discussing the aspects of the game that can be measured, because comparing defensive improvement between Outlaw and Miles would be futile.
So essentially you seem to be arguing that a player who plays say 5 minutes a game, and has a PER of lets say 15, has the same ability as someone who plays 30 minutes a game and has a PER of 15. Since the only thing that has changed are his minutes, not his actual ability to play the game of basketball... Even though most sane individuals realize that those with more ability play more... Pretty logicial, but apparently PER is more important than actually watching a player improve over the years. Thank you, I'm glad we're clear. I think everyone can draw their own conclusions. I'm out, I got nothing else to say. Flame away.
Well done. You should be a mod here, since being a either a jester or a strong personality is all it takes to gain the position. I nominate noknobs to be a mod!
If they only play 5 minutes, not a whole lot has been established since that's a tiny sample size. If they play 15 minutes per game at a 15 PER, and then 25 minutes per game at a 15 PER and then 33 minutes per game at a 15 PER, yes, I'd say that they haven't really progressed. There's some marginal gains in maintaining efficiency over more minutes, but I wouldn't say it's particularly significant. Certainly not enough to support your contention that Outlaw's and Miles' careers show a clear difference that can be attributed to hard work or motivation.
Heh. Change the lines again. A question. What is the bad thing about the PER numbers you posted for Outlaw?
