So I'm looking around for a "WTF Sergio?!?!" Thread...

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  1. RayDavies

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    Yeah, I agree. It's not that I hate Sergio- it's just that, while he is exciting to watch at times, I don't think he fits in the current system.
     
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    Interesting. I've been of the opinion that if Blake and/or Sergio aren't doing well, there isn't really a reason to not put Bayless in, and was hoping to see more of him. I would have liked to have seen Nate try this a bit more, but I guess Bayless' chance may be coming sooner than I thought.
     
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    Nate is kind of annoying sometimes. So last night he thought Sergio wasn't playing good defense. So he didn't play him in the second half. And now he's thinking about playing Bayless?

    Why didn't he play Bayless in the 2nd half last night, then? Does he really need to think so hard about who the next point guard behind Sergio is? Or does he think Bayless is unable to play w/o 24 hours notice?

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    "Yeah, the pick-and-roll ...'' I said, noting the Blazers' team-wide problem that night. But before I could finish, McMillan was already shaking his head. "No, just defense period,'' McMillan said. "He has to play better defense.''

    Nate seems blind to the obvious, that nobody on his team except Joel is consistently playing good defense. If he's laying the blame on 1, 2 or 3 bench guys we're never going to see improvement from the starters, and that's where we need it come playoff time.
     
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    I was at the Dallas game and Sergio seemed to have a nice game - especially with the offense - but I watched the game again on the DVR (painful experience) - and paid more attention to Sergio's D - and it was right - the Mavs went on a big run with him in the game.
     
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    Sorry for the repost: Here are the details of that "Run"
     
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    Thank you, Brian. :clap:
     
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    Your details of the run forget the following:

    1. Before even 1 second of play Sergio fouls Jason Terry (before they inbound the ball) - the Mavs score 2 points.
    2. Kidd going around Sergio, Roy rotating forcing a pass to Jason Terry, Joel has to run over to him and foul. Terry sinks two shots.
    3. At the 10:41 Sergio with a bad pass on the break

    That's 3 mistakes by Sergio in the first half, 2 of them defensive.

    I am too tired to re-live the loss of the 4th quarter lead with Sergio in the game - so I am not going to re-watch it again...

    Blake did not have a good defensive game - but it looked better than Sergio in this re-run of the game that I just watched. There is a reason Sergio had the worst +/- - he did not create offense enough to offset his defense.

    Add the fact that Travis played all the minutes that Sergio was on the court - and since he finished with a -7 for the game - it means that he was +3 next to Blake. Same with Rudy - played all the minutes that Sergio did and finished with -8 - so he was +2 next to Blake...

    Yes, Frye was bad (big surprise) - but he only played next to Sergio for about 1/2 of Sergio's minutes - so it's not all on Outlaw (who was + next to Blake) or Frye (Frye was not in the game in the 2nd quarter when we went from +3 to -1 during Sergio's brief run.
     
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    This is your example of "bad D"? Being too aggressive denying the ball?
    Yes, Kidd went around Sergio one time. Sorry about not posting that. I'll go back, post the entire 10 minu
    3. At the 10:41 Sergio with a bad pass on the break.[/quote]I had that in the recap. That was the only TO, iirc, in the entire game for him.
    Pity, since it's only 2:55 and it was 4-0 Dallas. It's ok, I recapped it above.
    What part of his teammates shooting 1-10 while the opponents his teammates guarded being 6-12 was him "not creating enough offense to offset his defense? I'm still waiting.
    So it couldn't possibly be that Rudy and Outlaw (and Frye) stunk it up by going 1-10 with Sergio on the floor, missing (among other things) a wide-open 3, a 7 footer, a 9-footer and a putback? Damn that Sergio, send him back to Spain.
    I find your logic a little off. I'm going to ask again, what part of him going 4-4, 9pts, 1 ast, 1 t/o while his man went 1-4 with 0 assists while his teammates gave up 6-12 while shooting 1-10 themselves WAS SERGIO'S FAULT? Don't try to read the tea leaves and break apart +/-'s, please answer my question.
     
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    You mean fouling when you do not need to is not bad defense? So a foul when the ball is not even in play is good? Of course it was a stupid mistake and of course it was bad defense - it lead to 2 points before the ball even entered the court.

    The 1-4 of his man is the culprit - if you take a look - Dallas also had 3 offensive rebounds in this time from these 3 misses - because the bigs that went to rotate to cover for Sergio losing his man and caused the misses could not recover to get the rebounds. Yes, his man went 1-4 - but the possessions really ended as 4-4 because of the 3 offensive rebounds taken when our bigs were away from the basket trying to contain the penetration.
     
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    You win. Aggressiveness denying the ball is not something we want from our defenders. Sorry about that. Count Sergio for -2 right there.
    I'm calling BS on this one. I did take a look. Here's the breakdown: Berea misses a 30-footer as time expires in the first quarter. 0-1 (not blown by Sergio, and they didn't score)
    10:15 2nd quarter: Berea misses 27-footer. 0-2 They get the offensive board and Singleton puts it in. Not blown by Sergio.
    8:29 Berea gets the defensive rebound, gets the layup. 2pts from Sergio's man: 1-3 total so far. Sergio benched.

    4th quarter: 12:00 Sergio fouls out of inbound. No FTs.
    11:23 Berea misses 3-pointer. Not blown by Sergio. 1-4.
    9:56 Berea assists on Howard's jumper. 1-4, 1 assist. Sergio benched.

    So for a grand total of 2-5, 1 offensive rebound, 1 assist on all the possessions his man shot. Not 4-4. And Singleton's was off a 3 by Barea...not likely that he "blew by Sergio" causing a big to rotate.

    Why are you making things up? It's easy enough to say you do like how a guy plays, but I'm just letting you know it's a little tough to try to say I'm wrong while making up stats. I'm not lazy enough to not check out what you say, since I'm pretty sure about the facts I use before i post. :dunno:
     
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    Unfortunately (or fortunately) - I deleted the game from my DVR - but that was my distinct impression re-watching that game - that all of these break-downs started with Sergio's man blowing by him, the ball swung around with people out of position and the offensive rebound taken by Dallas because our bigs were out of play.

    If you have that stretch to re-watch it - I will be willing to accept that my impression was wrong (if you re-read the thread - my impression during the game was not that Sergio had a bad game - but it appeared after I re-watched it on my TV). But - as I said - since I did re-watch it (yes, I am a masochist) - it seemed like his defensive breakdowns were a big issue during that stretch.
     
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    My point isn't that he's Raja Bell. I understand his defensive shortcomings. My discussion with you originally centered on using the +/- number to say he had a bad game, or that it was more his fault than Frye or Outlaw b/c their +/-'s were better.

    I can't speak for you, but you might be thinking of Blake with the defensive breakdowns in the 2nd half. Sergio was only in 2 minutes, and Dallas only went 4-0 during that stretch. The rest was Blake and company. I saw those missed rotations and blow-bys also.

    BTW: I'm with you about the masochism. I just deleted mine to make room for tonight.
     
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    Barea was lighting up Blake in the 4th quarter not Sergio...come on now people....

    You know the bottom line is that Sergio is not long for this team..it is becoming very apparent that Nate doesn't like the guy...or in more "professional" terms...He isn't his kind of player....whatever...

    I'll give Blake his due, he has been surprisingly solid offensively...by=ut his defense isn't much better than Sergio's...I don't know what games most of you people are watching...and he may have a shining assist to To ratio, but he has some CRUCIAL turnovers, misses, misplays that have cost POR games....

    Sergio isn't great but he doesn't deserve half of the blame he is getting here and from Nate...that is a joke....Whay doesn't Nate just come out and admit to Pritchard that he doesn't like the guy and get this whole charade over with....

    Maybe he has...
     
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    Excellent posts, Brian. It is absolutely ridiculous for Nate to call out Sergio publicly, while our other guards have been just as bad defensively. He is clearly going after his favorite whipping boy, while protecting his favorites. Very professional. :rolleyes:

    Does anyone dispute this claim now?
     
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    Calling out Sergio on defense on this team is like Oprah telling Roseanne Barr to go on a diet.
     
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    Agreed. Whatever Sergio's faults are, Nate is very unprofessional to call him (and only him) out in public. And he's done it repeatedly.

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