The Official S2 "I've Had It With Travis Outlaw" Thread

Cancel the rest of the season. We have defeated the reigning world champs, therefor WE are the best team in the NBA. No reason to continue on with the season. We are the best team, and Travis is clearly the best player because he spun past NBA Finals MVP Paul Pierce and dunked on 2004 MVP Kevin Garnett. /Season

 

HE didn't play well... but Sergio sucked also, so really no way to go. Why don't you complain about how Sergio did instead of Bayless?

 

Zach Randolph had plenty of big games for Portland and made quite a few game-winning shots. Should we have kept him?

 

The stop at nothing defense of Outlaw amazes me all over the internet. 3 game winning shots makes you completely untouchable for alot of people, which is amazing.

As for the being done with Outlaw, I reached that point half way through last year, it gets worse, primarily because of the rationale used to defend him, but I do not want him on my team anymore.

One thing that bugged the shit out of me last night, we're down by 10, maybe 12, I dunno. Game was over, but still, usually teams start trying to get some quick 3s, see what can happen. Outlaw drives and tries to go for a big tomohawk dunk. Fucking asshole. Can't ever take the ball to the hoop and try to dunk over people, but then we're down big with a minute left, and he's going to? Posey fouled him the second time he tried it, he should have hit him harder for being an idiot.

 

Yeah I remember one of those especially. He drove into a triple team, jumped into the air, and threw it to....the other team. He's not Sergio. He's not Roy. He's not Rudy. He shouldn't be trying to pass while jumping, let alone driving into triple teams.

 

Travis is a fucking asshole for driving to the basket? Others think he's a fucking asshole for taking ill advised jumpers.

Must be the same as when I think some fans are fucking assholes when the get out of bed in the morning and others are fucking assholes when they post in forums.

 

um because the poster mentioned that looking at the box score you'd think bayless played horribly and they'd be wrong. the subject was bayless not sergio. for the record, yes sergio played poorly but you ignored my part about everyone but joel and rudy playing well. selective reading is fun on the internet.

btw, jumping to pass is something you learn not to do in the 3rd grade, yet we have two guys off the bench who do it quite a bit.

 

Well, if you read the entirety of my post, I was saying it was stupid to do at that juncture of the game. Especially when he refuses to do it when it could have an actual affect on the game. Almost as if the game was over, so he was just looking to make a highlight.

 

He saw an opening to the hoop and tried to put it in. I understand that some posters will find fault no matter what the circumstance. We were without Roy and a better team beat us and yet Travis gets most of the blame for a defeat that Blake and Aldridge came up small for us.

 

So is the contention that Outlaw is a below-average bench player or that he is overpaid? Either one I could see as rationale for being "done with him." If he's at least average for a bench player and not overpaid, how is he hurting the team?

I think Outlaw has lots of flaws. Those flaws are what prevent him from being a really good player. When you combine both his strengths and weaknesses, you have an above average reserve, IMO. And his salary isn't large, so he's not hurting the team's payroll.

So, yeah...his mistakes frustrate me. His great plays cheer me up. Overall, I don't (and never have) seen him as a good starter for this team, but I think the criticisms of him, a bench player, are a bit overdone. If he were the team's "star" and paid like it, I'd understand much better.

 

Far too logical a take for an emotion driven issue. If I've learned anything in 10 years of posting with you and a few others here it's that some people need to lash out. Like you I think it's as tired and silly a conversation as when it was led by Terrible and Jackie Jackal but new posters have stepped in with their daily need for a designated scapegoat to blame rain or shine. I'm with the OP for stickying this thread so that those posters can do their thing in one spot instead of 12 different threads... maybe we could make it so MIXUM's posts are automatically migrated there too???

STOMP

 

Okay. That's a far sight from being done with him, or the implications that he doesn't have any value to the team. I think he's a good use of 20-30 minutes. In other words, a reserve role. If Webster weren't injured, I assume that's the minute range he'd be in.

Whether he's paid too much for the production he provides. If he is, I can see criticizing him as hurting the team. Considering his salary is quite low and his production is decent (neither very good nor scrubbish), it doesn't seem like he hurts the team in terms of salary structure. (Comparing him to the other salaries on the team isn't terribly relevant...since so many players are on rookie deals, they aren't being paid market value. Them currently, and temporarily, being fantastic bargains doesn't make Outlaw overpaid.)

Since he's not below average for a bench player, he's not wasting a roster spot, either. So I really don't see what the argument would be for him hurting the team.

If you don't feel he's hurting the team or the team would be better off without him (just gone, not traded for a different, useful player), my post wasn't directed at you.

 

BrianFromWA:

I get what you are saying, but most of it comes down to one single point: Travis is a reserve playing starter's minutes. Bah-toom isn't ready, Webster is hurt, and KP hasn't made pulled the trigger on a trade. None of that is Outlaw's fault.

And yes, salary is a relevant consideration. Outlaw is a bundle of good points and bad points - which is why he is (by NBA standards) low paid. If he was the player you want him to be, he would be making 3 times as much.

 

Travis is averaging just under 27 minutes a game. He doesn't start. He gets paid accordingly and could be cut outright by the team if they chose to at the end of this year or they could keep him for another year at a big 4M. I don't see him as the answer or the problem in the question of who is the starter at SF. Same goes for Martell. I've some hopes for Batum.

All 3 players have very tradable contracts and should be included in discussions to upgrade either the PG or SF spots

STOMP

 

That's exactly where I am, too. I'm no believer in Webster, either, as I've said in other threads. Batum is my hope for the future.

 

The subject was Outlaw, and you were trying to change it to feed your Sergio fetish.

And the boxscore doesn't tell the whole story. Bayless def. played better than the boxscore said, and he played better than Sergio also.

And you were the first one to bring up Bayless in this thread... trying to find a cheap shot somewhere i suppose.

 

the guy brought up the fact that the boxscore doesn't tell the whole story, i agree it doesn't but to imply that bayless played better than the box is incorrect, imo. i simply brought up the fact that bayless and TO play a similar, no ball movement 1 on 5 style and that they shouldn't be on the court at the same time.

as for a sergio fetish, i don't have one, i can enjoy watching whoever is out there in the scarlett and black.

 

I guess his two assists in limited minutes was a mirage? Besides, SOMEBODY needed to attack the rim last night, if nobody else was going to take it to the rack why not Bayless? He got himself some good looks, they just didn't fall.

 

He was right. Bayless came in, in the first half and gave us a shot inthe arm getting to the rim and driving and kicking.

And IDK what game you are watching, but Bayless has rarely if ever gone 1 on 5 in the reg. season. This isn't summer league. The ball movement is no different w/ Bayless in there, he moves the ball like any of our other players.