I mentioned it in an earlier thread, but does anyone else see a parallel between Gilbert Arenas and Jerryd Bayless? Compare their stats in college. Bayless: 19.7 PTs, 2.7 RBs, 4 AST, 1 STL, 3 TO, 46% FG, 41% 3PT, 84% FT Arenas : 15.4 PTS, 4.1 RBs, 2.1 AST, 2.1 STL, 2.6 TO, 45% FG, 29% 3PT, 75% FT (Soph) : 16.2 PTS, 3.6 RBs, 2.3 AST, 1.8 STL, 2.3 TO, 47% FG, 41% 3PT, 72% FT For quick reference, I've put the best stat for each category in bold. Both players were PG/SG tweeners who went to Arizona. Both fell further in the draft than they were expected to. Both did not play much to begin their pro careers. Is expecting Bayless to become the next Gilbert too optimistic? It certainly isn't what I expect to happen, but I don't think that it is entirely unrealistic either. So all the talk about using Bayless as a trading chip needs to stop. He isn't Javaris Crittenton. I fully expect him to eventually live up to the Summer League hype and be a strong piece of the team. [video=youtube;5Giw8rKT4Dg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Giw8rKT4Dg&feature=related[/video]
Do you know how many hundreds of players had those same stats in college? This is beyond a stretch. Who knows what Bayless will turn into but your "rational" is bogus. I didnt make my HS freshman bball team...Why didnt I attain the skills of Jordan dammit?!?
No. Probably a good amount, but not necessarily as a freshman in a major conference on a team with other established good college players. Why did you quote "rational"? While my logic may have some flaws, I think comparing stats is a fair exercise. Because you're lazy, aren't 6'6" and weren't graced with world-class athleticism. I doubt you practiced for hours on end to make the team the next season.
It is a very big stretch to compare players by what they did in college...it's a vastly different thing than the NBA. And too many factors contribute to these numbers...until Bayless gets some NBA games under his belt I wouldn't even start comparing him to an All-Star ...and I never hold too much weight in Summer League games...they are putting up those numbers against rookies and undrafted players trying to get contracts....sooo....It a nice way to get a look at players, but I don't read too much into it
No, I don't. In fact, I think they are nothing alike. But then, I am not as clarivoyant as you. But for quick reference here are their 1st year stats (to date), which I think are a better measure. GA: 24.6 mpg, 45.3 fg%, 77.5 ft%, 34.5 3pt%, 2.8 rpg, 3.7 apg, 1.5 spg, and 10.9 ppg for 47 games JB: 7.9 mpg, 18.8 fg%, 72.2 ft%, 16.7 3pt%, 0.9 rpg, 1.0 apg, 0.3 spg, and 1.7 ppg for 15 games (so far) Since many posters have stipulated that all of the Blazers - except for the big 3 - are eligible for trade, I am quite happy to be a proponent for trading Bayless. In KP I trust! Go Blazers! JAFO
It's hard to gauge a player based on stats alone, but I have heard many scouts/pundits alike compare him to Gilbert Arenas before, so it's nothing egregious. It might be due to the Arizona connection, but there are similarities in playing style. Bayless as a freshman still put up 20 PPG as a freshman at an excellent program in Arizona, so it is something to consider. JAFO, even though Bayless has looked disappointing so far, you have to consider that Arenas (if I'm not mistaken) played two years at Arizona, while Bayless only played one.
Besides them both playing for AZ, the fact that Jerryd hasn't found his scoring touch and seems more commited to defense than Gil ever was, I'm not sure where the comparisons are coming from?
I don't see the comparison. I think Bayless can be more of a passer than a volume shooter, and a much better defender. They are both combo guards though, and both went to ARizona i suppose.
Well they do havea few things in common. They went to school at the same place. They were coached in the same style. Does Bayless play like most Arizona guards (score first) yep. But besides that, Bayless needs to raise his scoring average by about 25 points a game to even come close to what Arenas was 2 years ago.
They're both listed at 6-3, but Arenas seems a lot taller to me than Bayless for some reason. I don't know... I think they have completely different games. Gilbert would rather shoot from the perimeter while Bayless is more of a penetrator. But if Jerryd has anywhere near the impact that Gil did pre-injury, I'd take it in a heartbeat.
Those stats are crap, because you're comparing less than half a season for Bayless to a whole season of Gilbert. Did you not watch the commercial. Take a look at the game log from Gilbert's rookie season: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3540/gamelog;_ylt=Amps3_5Zju7WnF2r5EUCveihPKB4?year=2001 Doesn't look like Gilbert barely even touched the floor until he ended up becoming a starter, something a bunch of people were guestimating would happen with Bayless (be the starter after the ASG) this year. Now I don't think that this will happen, but comparing rookie situations is different as Gil played on a bad Warriors team and thus he was given free reign. Really? Most of you can't see a connection? Weird.
1. Both players went to Arizona 2. Both players are about 6'3" and are considered somewhat of a SG in a PG's body 3. Both players slid on draft day from where they were projected (by about 10 spots). 4. Both players rarely got off the pine for the first half of the season. 5. Both players had similar college numbers. Now, there are several factors that are unknown. Their actual athleticism. Their work ethic. Their mental stability. etc. And they differ by being in different situations as a rookie. But both are considered good scorers, and that isn't something that Bayless forgot how to do. It' just hard to get into a rhythm when you don't play many minutes or consistently. If Bayless had 30 minutes a game, I have no doubt he would have very impressive numbers for a rookie, but given the play of Blake/Sergio, that just isn't going to happen for a while.
Gilbert drives to the hole a lot as evidenced by his FTA stats. Dude averaged around 10 attempts a game his last two healthy seasons. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/gilbert_arenas/career_stats.html STOMP
That's part of my point. People are almost writing Bayless off, treating him as a throw-in or filler on trade proposals. For example, for David Lee, who we wouldn't probably resign as a RFA? I just don't get it. Yes, Bayless is unproven. That doesn't mean he is worth so little. I have confidence in KP and the management that they will not "give up" on Bayless so quickly, but let him develop into "Brandon RoyJ unior" or "Mini-me Gilbert Arenas" .
